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[citizen_lion]

Also for Berserker

 

His Mastermind in adapting during a fight (Learns Seikuken by seeing it once)

Puts the load of work on himself then spread it upon others

Cares about his friends (Lugh,Odin etc)

Activaley turn on and off Berserker Mode

Doesnt Kill

Sei/Dou Mixture (Dou being the majority)

Enjoys using his mouth in a battle for any reason (Catching a weapon etc)

Oddily knowlegable upon music

Built of all Red Muscle(I think when  Akisame talks about the 3 types of muscle)

Extremely Lucky

Sense of moral Fairness

Negate feeling of pain through adrenaline rush

He was suppose to lose his hand and be called Tyr the (nordic god who bravely sacrificed his hand to Fenrir) but was changed

 

So Berserker has an obvious flaw (and also an advantage). He is naturally built for long drawn out fights, but does not have the crazy hitting power of people like Kenichi, Hermit, and especially Kajima.

 

But he is personality-wise really like a young Elder except a bit nicer.

[Ogata]

I want to ask you guys something, remember in the original series. Shogou Kitsukawa was named Snake and as oppose to being from Norway, he was american-ish.

Its been a while and I am trying to remember if Snake aka the original Berserker had a different style of fighting or if he was still a street brawler?

[Delirium Trigger]

The old Berserker copy styles after seeing them once, but still relies on instinct and flow. The new Berserker's unique Seikuken alludes to the technique the old berserker used against old Ikki.

[erdbeerkeks]

While scanning pictures for the other thread I found one illustration that might fit here quite well. I'd love to see the same picture again with everyone a few years older when the disciples are fully grown (except Chikage and Shou). I wonder how tall they are going to end up eventually.

Edited by erdbeerkeks, September 19 2014 - 09:19 AM.

[Ogata]

The old Berserker copy styles after seeing them once, but still relies on instinct and flow. The new Berserker's unique Seikuken alludes to the technique the old berserker used against old Ikki.

 

I think  your right! I remember a panel where he uses TKD to beat up a group of thugs that got done beating up Kisara. He did that to impress her since he had the hots for her
 
It was so crazy how different that manga looked! I remember the only master antagonist on that series was Mycroft and Sougetsu Ma. This is why it was upsetting to not see a mycroft profile since he was like the ORIGINAL master antagonist.
 

While scanning pictures for the other thread I found one illustration that might fit here quite well. I'd love to see the same picture again with everyone a few years older when the disciples are fully grown (except Chikage and Shou). I wonder how tall they are going to end up eventually.

Damn! Berserker is a short dude!  Before this thread, I always thought he was as big as a pro wrestler!

[erdbeerkeks]

 

Damn! Berserker is a short dude!  Before this thread, I always thought he was as big as a pro wrestler!

I think some heights in this picture might be off. The guide lists him as 182 cm, as tall as Ogata and Hongo. Maybe that picture was taken before he had a growth spurt.

[Ogata]

I think some heights in this picture might be off. The guide lists him as 182 cm, as tall as Ogata and Hongo. Maybe that picture was taken before he had a growth spurt.

I think the reason he looks short is perhaps because the masters are standing on a bleacher or something. Then again maybe it is a growth spurt but then how long of an hsdk-time has passed from the start of the story to end? 

Oh and I wonder if thats Saiga or Senzui with Kajima...

Edited by Ogata, September 19 2014 - 03:36 PM.

[citizen_lion]

I think the reason he looks short is perhaps because the masters are standing on a bleacher or something. Then again maybe it is a growth spurt but then how long of an hsdk-time has passed from the start of the story to end? 

Oh and I wonder if thats Saiga or Senzui with Kajima...

 

They are standing on bleachers in the back. This is how this type of group shot is always done IRL so no reason why it shouldn't be in a manga.

 

In this picture Jenazad looks as tall as Hongo, which is obviously not the case. In fact when Jenazad and Jihan stands together when they were first debuted he is a little shorter than his disciple.

[erdbeerkeks]

They are standing on bleachers in the back. This is how this type of group shot is always done IRL so no reason why it shouldn't be in a manga.

 

In this picture Jenazad looks as tall as Hongo, which is obviously not the case. In fact when Jenazad and Jihan stands together when they were first debuted he is a little shorter than his disciple.

Imagine the poor photographer who had to take this shot while the masters seem to be releasing some of their aura. "A-and n-n-now p-please smile anddontkillmepleasepleaseplease"

[citizen_lion]

Imagine the poor photographer who had to take this shot while the masters seem to be releasing some of their aura. "A-and n-n-now p-please smile anddontkillmepleasepleaseplease"

 

The photographer must be masterclass too of course How else would he be able to capture the freaking ki onto the photo. Must be a photographer who really understands martial arts and developed some sort of film that can capture electromagnetic waves

[AoK Berserker]

What about when it was stated in the fight against Kenichi how strong his hitting power was when he broke through the seikuken with just his elbow creating that like explosion past kenichi

[citizen_lion]

What about when it was stated in the fight against Kenichi how strong his hitting power was when he broke through the seikuken with just his elbow creating that like explosion past kenichi

 

Oh, what I said is on a relative scale. Of course Berserker is immensely strong by any measure. He is a Yomi after all. In fact it's possible that even with a body full of red muscle, he still can output more than an average Yomi's worth of damage due to his natural talent for controlling his body (and thus maximizing force output), but by comparison, he still cannot output the sort of damage that Kenichi and Kajima can.

 

Hermit is also a heavy hitter, but also more balanced between acrobatic and strength than Kenichi. In a way Hermit is rather similar to Berserker in body composition, it seems, but with less talent, but better techniques.

Edited by citizen_lion, September 22 2014 - 12:28 PM.

[Ogata]

Imagine the poor photographer who had to take this shot while the masters seem to be releasing some of their aura. "A-and n-n-now p-please smile anddontkillmepleasepleaseplease"

 

 

The photographer must be masterclass too of course How else would he be able to capture the freaking ki onto the photo. Must be a photographer who really understands martial arts and developed some sort of film that can capture electromagnetic waves

Wouldent it be ironic if the photographer happened to be Jise Ro?

Speaking of Jise Ro, I wonder whatever happened to him? He seemed like the type of character who could offer alot to a storyline.

[citizen_lion]

I think he is one of the story points stashed for later that ended up becoming a loose end when the manga ended abruptly. It's sad but I suspect that the manga was cancelled due to declining sales. Sometimes I wonder how people cannot enjoy such a masterpiece of a story as HSDK, and forced the author to amp up the fanservice to absurd level at the end. But then I also have a theory that the manga tanked because of the fanservice. Back then I was introduced to this manga when it only got up to the fight with Eclair, and the friend who introduced it to me had to say repeatedly that "just remember to tolerate the fanservice until you realize how good the manga is", and "remember don't read this when anyone can see", and back then the fanservice was quite tame compared to the end...

 

Anyway, yes, it is sensible that the photographer is Jise Ro. He is still a regular member of Yami (compared to Li Tenmon and many other characters who are detached branches / soldiers for hire). I wanted to see his back story with Sougetsu too.

 

Also, could anyone translate Jenazad's profile? It may shed some light on what motivates our strange fruit bat.

Edited by citizen_lion, September 24 2014 - 12:03 PM.

[Ogata]

I think he is one of the story points stashed for later that ended up becoming a loose end when the manga ended abruptly. It's sad but I suspect that the manga was cancelled due to declining sales. Sometimes I wonder how people cannot enjoy such a masterpiece of a story as HSDK, and forced the author to amp up the fanservice to absurd level at the end. But then I also have a theory that the manga tanked because of the fanservice. Back then I was introduced to this manga when it only got up to the fight with Eclair, and the friend who introduced it to me had to say repeatedly that "just remember to tolerate the fanservice until you realize how good the manga is", and "remember don't read this when anyone can see", and back then the fanservice was quite tame compared to the end...

 

Anyway, yes, it is sensible that the photographer is Jise Ro. He is still a regular member of Yami (compared to Li Tenmon and many other characters who are detached branches / soldiers for hire). I wanted to see his back story with Sougetsu too.

 

Also, could anyone translate Jenazad's profile? It may shed some light on what motivates our strange fruit bat.

Your probably right and yes this manga felt more like cancelled as oppose to end. I mean Hajime No Ippo is been going on since 1989 and its a manga with next no fan service.

But yeah its annoying to see loose ends like:

Jise Ro not receiving his backstory

Lack of Kushinadas backstory and what made her to go from katsujinken to a mass murderer

Ogatas timeline with Ryozanpaku master and if he had any other martial arts masters/experience before Ryo

Gannosukes lack of disciple since OSNF/Hachiou are all known for disciples. Otherwise Sai Kagerou would have qualified if these groups were based on how strong masters are.

Sakakis master, it was implied that he was a very very ruthless satsujinken since Sakakis karate style is known for brutality. Also would like to know Sakakis "kill" move


I personaly was not the biggest Jenazad fan but I always wondered what would Jenazads "Ultimate Silat" technique would look like? I mean the only two people that have shown us "Final" moves were Kushinada and Shigure. Both moves seemed like they lack defense and were mostly made for relentless offense.



 

[citizen_lion]

Your probably right and yes this manga felt more like cancelled as oppose to end. I mean Hajime No Ippo is been going on since 1989 and its a manga with next no fan service.

But yeah its annoying to see loose ends like:

Jise Ro not receiving his backstory

Lack of Kushinadas backstory and what made her to go from katsujinken to a mass murderer

Ogatas timeline with Ryozanpaku master and if he had any other martial arts masters/experience before Ryo

Gannosukes lack of disciple since OSNF/Hachiou are all known for disciples. Otherwise Sai Kagerou would have qualified if these groups were based on how strong masters are.

Sakakis master, it was implied that he was a very very ruthless satsujinken since Sakakis karate style is known for brutality. Also would like to know Sakakis "kill" move


I personaly was not the biggest Jenazad fan but I always wondered what would Jenazads "Ultimate Silat" technique would look like? I mean the only two people that have shown us "Final" moves were Kushinada and Shigure. Both moves seemed like they lack defense and were mostly made for relentless offense.



 

 

 

We saw a number of ultimate moves, actually:

 

Apachai & Agaard's: Bolisud Look Mai, a brute strength outburst that achieves similar effect to when Saiga and Senzui clashes, destroying several floors in a huge blast.

 

Shigure: a move where she appears to manipulate the ki of all weapon users nearby, forcing them to attack shadows and allowing her to fight multiple opponents of equivalent levels simultaneously.

 

Kushinada: a move where she appears to manipulate the ki of all master class fighters nearby, making it appear like they are fighting clones of her.

 

Hongo: a straight forward thrust using Hongo's entire upper and lower body strength couple with spinning. This is Hongo's "beyond ultimate" move, where he literally went added his leg to his already ultimate move. Just the air blast from this move is enough to cause a big clean hole through masonry as if the wall was hit by a tank shell. But if the move misses, then he's wide open and lost balance... well, let's hope the organ lift trick works again.

 

Alexander: forward march of death. Gaidar drops all defenses and go in with the intention to take his opponent to hell with him. Achieves much of the same effect as Bolisud Look Mai.

 

Elder: that move where he dropped like a comet into the forest, causing a HUGE crater and an explosion that looks like a MOAB (the largest conventional bomb)

[Ogata]

We saw a number of ultimate moves, actually:

 

Apachai & Agaard's: Bolisud Look Mai, a brute strength outburst that achieves similar effect to when Saiga and Senzui clashes, destroying several floors in a huge blast.

 

Shigure: a move where she appears to manipulate the ki of all weapon users nearby, forcing them to attack shadows and allowing her to fight multiple opponents of equivalent levels simultaneously.

 

Kushinada: a move where she appears to manipulate the ki of all master class fighters nearby, making it appear like they are fighting clones of her.

 

Hongo: a straight forward thrust using Hongo's entire upper and lower body strength couple with spinning. This is Hongo's "beyond ultimate" move, where he literally went added his leg to his already ultimate move. Just the air blast from this move is enough to cause a big clean hole through masonry as if the wall was hit by a tank shell. But if the move misses, then he's wide open and lost balance... well, let's hope the organ lift trick works again.

 

Alexander: forward march of death. Gaidar drops all defenses and go in with the intention to take his opponent to hell with him. Achieves much of the same effect as Bolisud Look Mai.

 

Elder: that move where he dropped like a comet into the forest, causing a HUGE crater and an explosion that looks like a MOAB (the largest conventional bomb)

Damn! I don't even remember Alexanders moves at all! I do remember Hongo/Apa/Agaard moves but I wasen't sure if that was their "final" move.


I have to disagree with you on the Elder though! I mean Ganosuke showed lots of moves when he was searching for him. One technique was when he created an energy wave in a form of X  that destroyed everything. For him, this seemed like a casual move for him and no different than Elders comet atack in terms of devastation.


I personaly like to think that both Ganosuke and Elder have "Final" attacks that we have yet to see!

Oh and the GREAT Master Mike never showed us any unique scythe attack either

 

[citizen_lion]

Damn! I don't even remember Alexanders moves at all! I do remember Hongo/Apa/Agaard moves but I wasen't sure if that was their "final" move.


I have to disagree with you on the Elder though! I mean Ganosuke showed lots of moves when he was searching for him. One technique was when he created an energy wave in a form of X  that destroyed everything. For him, this seemed like a casual move for him and no different than Elders comet atack in terms of devastation.


I personaly like to think that both Ganosuke and Elder have "Final" attacks that we have yet to see!

Oh and the GREAT Master Mike never showed us any unique scythe attack either

 

 

Actually I think the comet attack IS the Elder's final attack, while Gannosuke's X strike thing is a high level but not final attack. The logic I'm basing this on is due to the fact that the Elder has been pushed to desperation at that point. He knew that wasting any more moment of time means someone close to him will die, or at worst, WW III starts. He said himself that that was an attack he saves up energy for.

 

Gannosuke doesn't have a motivation to overextend himself with attacks that will cost his health or exposing himself to counters. The Elder has all that motivation.

 

The truth is "final" attacks in HSDK doesn't mean using up all of your energy and sacrificing yourself and only being able to execute it once. It's just mean the strongest attack that you pull out when you absolutely have to finish the fight now against an opponent that are dead equal or stronger.

Edited by citizen_lion, September 24 2014 - 07:13 PM.

[Ogata]

Actually I think the comet attack IS the Elder's final attack, while Gannosuke's X strike thing is a high level but not final attack. The logic I'm basing this on is due to the fact that the Elder has been pushed to desperation at that point. He knew that wasting any more moment of time means someone close to him will die, or at worst, WW III starts. He said himself that that was an attack he saves up energy for.

 

Gannosuke doesn't have a motivation to overextend himself with attacks that will cost his health or exposing himself to counters. The Elder has all that motivation.

 

The truth is "final" attacks in HSDK doesn't mean using up all of your energy and sacrificing yourself and only being able to execute it once. It's just mean the strongest attack that you pull out when you absolutely have to finish the fight now against an opponent that are dead equal or stronger.

Still disagree on that move being Elders final attack since it looked way to basic! That and yes although he was desperate and motivated to leave the fight againts Ganosuke, it should be noted that Elder was not 100 percent and just woke up from sleeping/eating. When you wake up you are usualy still not 100 percent or in the right frame of mind to perform high level tasks.

I reckon that comet move was Elders best basic move but not final attack.

I wonder if Michael has a final attack with his Scythe or if anything in particular. Did Kensei Ma and Sakaki ever show their best hands?

[erdbeerkeks]

@Ogata Kensei used his ultimate undressing move on Mikumo.