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[Delirium Trigger]

The basics, not exactly trivia. I think? 

 

Thanks for the link. That changes things.

[Nacchi]

The basics, not exactly trivia. I think? 

 

Thanks for the link. That changes things.

I'll see if I can find something interesting for Hongo

 

• his karate style is more precise and sharp than Sakaki's
• He becomes even calmes when he's angry
• He's a sharp thinker.
• Even his basic techniques are extremely powerful.
• His master's name was Iori KAZAMI (風見伊織), a strict master who did never compromise. [I've searched for the name Iori and nowadays it's mostly used by women, but there have been men with that name, so I don't know whether his master was male or female]
• He uses an old style of karate called Shinchinengen-style {真地念源流}
• He thinks that Sakaki is selfish for refusing to kill people even if his opponent wishes to have a death match.
• Hajime was a bit like a younger brother to him. He is the reason Hongo joined Yami.
• He loved Shou like a son and his death hit him very hard.
• To him Jenazad is a despicable person for killing on his own disciples.
• He has strong convitions only to kill martial artists. He will not harm women, children or injured people. If he hadn't had these convitions a fight between him and Shigure & Apacahi would have been a horrible fight to the death.
• He is extremely quiet and only speaks if he has to. Actually, he might be shy. This quietness has caused quite a few misunderstanding, but it seems that this trait makes him rather attractive for women. (-> Lona)
• Even within the Yami masters his teching skills a top class.
• He is extremely stubborn.
• He got his "Tenchijouge" stance from Sakaki who in return uses Hongo's "Maeba" stance.
• The mobile phones he destroyed were of coure replaced and paid for by Yami. Yami has lots of money unlike Ryouzanpaku.
• His favourite food is Siberia - a castella sponge cake filled with sweet read bean paste or yokan [so I assume he likes sweets. Interesting, because Sakaki doesn't like sweets.]

[Delirium Trigger]

Damn... Sounds like Hongo> Apachai and Shigure.. 

[Nacchi]

@Delirium Trigger Don't forget that Apachai was still injured when they met.

 

I searched a bit for his master's name and this Japanese Kenichi wiki speculates that the inspiration for the name Iori Kazama was the voice actress/singer/songwriter Iori Nomizu who voiced Li Raichi for the OVA series (and she might have been involved with the title song, but I have to check that).

If this theory is true then we'd have another female non-weapon user grand master besides Mikumo.

Edited by Nacchi, November 09 2014 - 05:05 PM.

[Delirium Trigger]

That's true. However, the fights Hongo were in was quite destructive in comparison to Apachai's...except for his full powered Apaunch...

 

Apaunch vs God Hand Leg Wave Twist Thrust...

 

Apachai vs Akira. How would this go? How would he handle being thrown in true vs false situations?

[Combatmaster1o3]

That's true. However, the fights Hongo were in was quite destructive in comparison to Apachai's...except for his full powered Apaunch...

 

Apaunch vs God Hand Leg Wave Twist Thrust...

 

Apachai vs Akira. How would this go? How would he handle being thrown in true vs false situations?

Are we going by there fighting styles with there personality or not? Shigure, with all her vows, is hands down, the weakest member of Ryo. However if she can cut, let alone kill, she is one of the strongest. In fact that goes for all the members, including Kenichi. Honestly, a better fight would come from Ma or Akisame than Apachia(In my opinion, Matsuena could make it far more spectacular than my mind could ever). Akisame vs Jenazad, omg a dream come true. 

[Delirium Trigger]

Yeah, standard battle conditions.

 

Morals on, bloodlust off (unless a character switches it on or is normally in that condition), in character...

 

A battle until one is dead or incapacitated.

 

I dreamed of many battles in the hsdkverse.

 

 

@Nacchi Quick question, in Tanimoto's profile, does it talk about his training regime? It's interesting that Tanimoto never showed any form of Ki, but is still one of the strongest disciples, nor did he emit that eye glow that almost everyone does when they use a big technique or excited by something.

[Delirium Trigger]

Are we going by there fighting styles with there personality or not? Shigure, with all her vows, is hands down, the weakest member of Ryo. However if she can cut, let alone kill, she is one of the strongest. In fact that goes for all the members, including Kenichi. Honestly, a better fight would come from Ma or Akisame than Apachia(In my opinion, Matsuena could make it far more spectacular than my mind could ever). Akisame vs Jenazad, omg a dream come true. 

I always thought it was her morals that "held her back". She may have mastered every weapon as if they were an extension of her own body, but it would still take a lot of time (maybe) to fully utilize her techniques without worrying about killing the opponent. This is similar to Apachai finally learning how to use all his power without thought of killing in his battle with Agaard. Plus, she may want to work on her own body, too. 

So worried about extending one's self. Learning what your natural reach is capable of is good, too. Then again, I never received any martial art lessons.

Edited by Delirium Trigger, November 11 2014 - 12:47 AM.

[Nacchi]

Yeah, standard battle conditions.

 

Morals on, bloodlust off (unless a character switches it on or is normally in that condition), in character...

 

A battle until one is dead or incapacitated.

 

I dreamed of many battles in the hsdkverse.

 

 

@Nacchi Quick question, in Tanimoto's profile, does it talk about his training regime? It's interesting that Tanimoto never showed any form of Ki, but is still one of the strongest disciples, nor did he emit that eye glow that almost everyone does when they use a big technique or excited by something.

 Just that he always trains very hard. Sougetsu profile says that he focuses on real fights with his training and often makes him fight opponents who a a bit stronger than Natsu. Quote: "A rather spartan training method."

Edited by Nacchi, November 11 2014 - 07:22 AM.

[Delirium Trigger]

So no Ki training... Gah. Well, he has Yigong Fu, right? Did you ever do a trivia on Hermit? I wonder if he takes care of his own injuries.

 

@citizen_lion, could you give a few suggestions on how Tanimoto, (and perhaps Siegfried) can master their ki in their own way? I think Tanimoto can work on Qigong training, but he doesn't seem like the "patient" type.  

[Combatmaster1o3]

So no Ki training... Gah. Well, he has Yigong Fu, right? Did you ever do a trivia on Hermit? I wonder if he takes care of his own injuries.

 

@citizen_lion, could you give a few suggestions on how Tanimoto, (and perhaps Siegfried) can master their ki in their own way? I think Tanimoto can work on Qigong training, but he doesn't seem like the "patient" type.  

Kenichi, who due to his personality possessed immense endurance and Ki potential, had his draw backs in techniques. However Tanimoto's trait is his hardwork. He's worked hard on his techniques, strength, and heart. Its unfair to equate Hermit and Kenichi, as they had diffrent strengths and weaknesses. Kenichi relies a lot on ki techniques, Tanimoto does not(However he does understand Ki and emits the fiery aura.) It really is a matter of time untill he unlocks it really, it just that he hasn't needed to.

[Combatmaster1o3]

Also another note, its hard to tell what ki type people will specialize in just by looking at them. Without Mr. Ogata, would you  have guessed Bezerker to be dou or sei?

[Delirium Trigger]

Thanks for pointing that out, but I don't think I compared those two(Did I?). I just wanted some advice for something that I was working on, giving him a little training in those areas until I can come up with something that would push him to unlocks his Dou Ki, just like I would need some pointers for how Siegfried can train and unlock his Sei Ki. 

 

I'm sure they both possess knowledge in Ki, seeing as they were able to sense Kenichi and Kajima's battle from afar as well as how Sieg could read his opponents.

 

 

Then again, Takeda managed to learn how to shift the explosion of his ki to confuse his opponents into misreading the attack.

[Delirium Trigger]

Also another note, its hard to tell what ki type people will specialize in just by looking at them. Without Mr. Ogata, would you  have guessed Bezerker to be dou or sei?

With the nickname "Berserker", probably so. Anyways, Elder mentioned it in his fight with Hermit. Surprisingly, Kokin is a Dou fighter, though.

[Combatmaster1o3]

With the nickname "Berserker", probably so. Anyways, Elder mentioned it in his fight with Hermit. Surprisingly, Kokin is a Dou fighter, though.

 

My point exactly.

[Nacchi]

So no Ki training... Gah. Well, he has Yigong Fu, right? Did you ever do a trivia on Hermit? I wonder if he takes care of his own injuries.
 
@citizen_lion, could you give a few suggestions on how Tanimoto, (and perhaps Siegfried) can master their ki in their own way? I think Tanimoto can work on Qigong training, but he doesn't seem like the "patient" type.

I've posted bits about Natsu here, here and here.
 
Other than that

• He is very attactive and gets called Price Tanimoto by his fellow students
• He knows how to get information even from the underworld
• He is skilled at both colse and wide range attacks
• He pays his master with expensive alcohol and it greatly troubles Natsu that Sougetsu has the habit to disappear suddenly.
• He usually hides his true self and is a very good actor.
• Somes his mask slips away in front of his "comerades"
• He hates losing and giving up, because of the promise he made to his sister.
• Ma Sougetsu's and Hermit's symbol 月 (moon) stands for "to be wrapped in mystery / carrying a secret"

[citizen_lion]

Er no. I would say that Shigure's sword is extremely tough(Like super god like tough) but no super flexible(it has some flex but not nearly as Sai's). When she cut the tank barrel, it looked like a preliminary cut first then the real hack. Showing she had technique(Has she done this before 0.o).(Btw cutting wood with a sword is extreme, if it can deflect bullets and stop those massive hydraulic door well idk man). All of this stated before could also be due to a lot of experience with a Katana and Grand master class reflexes. As you said before, she could use slashes so refined that a sword blade with that kind of hardness would stay well maintained. I wouldn't be surprised if her Katana is made of a type of stainless steel, which normally is WAY to hard to use in a sword.

 

In all of this, it seems like a lot of masters have updated their traditional gear. I don't know if you guys know but the classic european knight would have an edge against a Japanese samurai. The plate protected better and weighed less. Their tactics were far more siege like and less like palaces with random, virtually useless walls. Beautiful but nearly useless. Yami seems to have taken this highly admired armor and turned it into something that can with stand bullets,which I would guess would be better than just the steel plates which would vibrate and give all that force to the user. However it also could be due to their training and highly resilient body structure(with improved armor) in which then neither would be much better.

 

Hmm, plate armor actually weighs LESS than standard samurai armor? Is this a weigh comparison for equivalent level of protection or weigh comparison of the two "standard kits"? I would have imagined plate to be heavier and harder to move in... but the standard samurai kit contains a LOT of parts, which might make it heavier in total.

 

but I totally agree about the construction cultures. I sometimes wondered why Japanese castle designs were basically an open invitation for infiltration, eavedroppings, and assassination. I haven't been to Japan (other than transferring at airports) so I wouldn't know for real, but wouldn't the paper walls offer nearly zero soundproofing (and only limited visual blockage for that matter)? If I were a warlord back then, I would have fortify the hell out of at least the core of the fortress.

 

also it's true that Katana are quite a bit lighter than european swords and are used primarily for fighting lightly armored opponents. I was actually very surprised the first time I held a "battle ready" katana at the local medieval shop, and felt that it weights not much more than what I imagined a "short sword" to weigh, and I can confidently maneuver it one handed. There is no chance anyone would swing things like a hand-and-a-half or a grosse-messer around one handed.

 

So you are probably correct that all the master-class weapons in HSDK are constructed with non-standard techniques that are extensions and improvements of the traditional ones to the absolute limits.

 

@Delirium Trigger It's relatively straight forward for Sieg in terms of ki, actually. He is almost identical to Lugh, but he is just not deeply aware of the concept of ki quite yet. His training is all about internal strength (density and control of internal organs and non-skeletal muscles) and nervous control, which is an important part in "ki" in the HSDK world. But he does not have a master to give him a theoretical understanding of how to use all that potential consciously as "ki" yet. So he won't be able to "use" ki until some condition forces it out of him and make him invent his own theoretical understanding.

 

I suspect that it's the same for Hermit. Sougetsu never gave him that theoretical background, and Hermit had always been able to win fights with superior technical skills and almost the same amount of endurance as Ken, so he hasn't been forced to invent his own conceptual framework for "ki" yet. This would totally fit too, as Sougetsu is probably not the best instructor, and it wouldn't cross his mind to teach this or that at this stage or that stage, as long as his disciple is still winning and not near dead yet.

Edited by citizen_lion, November 13 2014 - 04:15 PM.

[Combatmaster1o3]

Hmm, plate armor actually weighs LESS than standard samurai armor? Is this a weigh comparison for equivalent level of protection or weigh comparison of the two "standard kits"? I would have imagined plate to be heavier and harder to move in... but the standard samurai kit contains a LOT of parts, which might make it heavier in total.

 

but I totally agree about the construction cultures. I sometimes wondered why Japanese castle designs were basically an open invitation for infiltration, eavedroppings, and assassination. I haven't been to Japan (other than transferring at airports) so I wouldn't know for real, but wouldn't the paper walls offer nearly zero soundproofing (and only limited visual blockage for that matter)? If I were a warlord back then, I would have fortify the hell out of at least the core of the fortress.

 

also it's true that Katana are quite a bit lighter than european swords and are used primarily for fighting lightly armored opponents. I was actually very surprised the first time I held a "battle ready" katana at the local medieval shop, and felt that it weights not much more than what I imagined a "short sword" to weigh, and I can confidently maneuver it one handed. There is no chance anyone would swing things like a hand-and-a-half or a grosse-messer around one handed.

 

So you are probably correct that all the master-class weapons in HSDK are constructed with non-standard techniques that are extensions and improvements of the traditional ones to the absolute limits.

 

@Delirium Trigger It's relatively straight forward for Sieg in terms of ki, actually. He is almost identical to Lugh, but he is just not deeply aware of the concept of ki quite yet. His training is all about internal strength (density and control of internal organs and non-skeletal muscles) and nervous control, which is an important part in "ki" in the HSDK world. But he does not have a master to give him a theoretical understanding of how to use all that potential consciously as "ki" yet. So he won't be able to "use" ki until some condition forces it out of him and make him invent his own theoretical understanding.

 

I suspect that it's the same for Hermit. Sougetsu never gave him that theoretical background, and Hermit had always been able to win fights with superior technical skills and almost the same amount of endurance as Ken, so he hasn't been forced to invent his own conceptual framework for "ki" yet. This would totally fit too, as Sougetsu is probably not the best instructor, and it wouldn't cross his mind to teach this or that at this stage or that stage, as long as his disciple is still winning and not near dead yet.

Well at least they had house wives wielded Niagara. People don't give credit to big, blunt weapons as they were the most effective against armor. The technique that Akisame used against the spear of the east was Super effective, as plate and Yori's generally were not very resistant to vibrations. A lot of sword techniques were attacking the weak-points of the armor via half-swording or mimicking war hammers, spears, axes, and ect. If your going to be a martial arts enthusiast, you got to know about how secondary swords were and how effective cloth and leather was. With a mace or hammer, you dont have to worry about sword alignment or armor. Against cloth and leather that was made into effective designs for armor, it would be superior to plate and chain mail. It would act like bullet proof armor. 

 

Sorry about the rant. About Natsu, it seems its really dependent upon the person how fast they master Ki. For people like Mui, Lugh, Kenichi, and Kajima, they are naturally talented in terms of Ki and can master it far faster. People are always intertwined with Ki, as it seems to be phycological in some way, and after a certain level and experience its only natural to understand, detect, and move up the Ki ladder. People who's fighting style and personality don't give them some advantage to learning their specialization of Ki fight in some other way.

 

 

This has gotten me to think about how strong Kenichi really is. If Ken-chan becomes serous, do you guys think he can beat any disciple class fighter based upon how strong he's become in the last chapter(No not master Kenichi). Also do you guys think the Elder taught him how to use his Dou ki as well, since the Elder uses both too.

[Nacchi]

 

I suspect that it's the same for Hermit. Sougetsu never gave him that theoretical background, and Hermit had always been able to win fights with superior technical skills and almost the same amount of endurance as Ken, so he hasn't been forced to invent his own conceptual framework for "ki" yet. This would totally fit too, as Sougetsu is probably not the best instructor, and it wouldn't cross his mind to teach this or that at this stage or that stage, as long as his disciple is still winning and not near dead yet.

 

That makes me wonder how good Natsu would be if had a master who was better at teaching and didn't disappear most of the time. What if Ogata had decided to take him in a his disciple back then?

[Berrick]

That's true. However, the fights Hongo were in was quite destructive in comparison to Apachai's...except for his full powered Apaunch...

 

Apaunch vs God Hand Leg Wave Twist Thrust...

 

Apachai vs Akira. How would this go? How would he handle being thrown in true vs false situations?

He would probably use Bolisud Lookmai, just like he did here: http://www.mangapand...hapter-400.html

 

It destroyed a large area nearly instantaneously, so it may be able to hit all the clones.