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[Delirium Trigger]

There seems to be a few rating systems in the book. Like this one. Would you be kind to elaborate on this?

[Ogata]

Interesting how the "Prince of Koryou High" is standing next to the crowned prince of Tidat. Their pose is similar too.

Another interesting about this picture I noticed is that, I can't believe that Ogata has ALL four of his disciples in that picture while Hongo left out his two other disciples.

That and I am looking at Saiga but I am not sure if I am looking at Saiga...

[erdbeerkeks]

There seems to be a few rating systems in the book. Like this one. Would you be kind to elaborate on this?

 

The first page you posted evaluates how much the former members of Ragnarök have matured based upon the development of their heart (心), their techniques (技), and their bodies (体). For example, Ryuuto's heart and techniques have matured greatly, but his body is weak(er), because he was bound to a wheelchair for a long time.

 

 

The second page is not a rating at all, but a list of all the great books our wonderful commander Niijima has written. (You should go and buy every single one right now, by the way.)

 

• The theory of fighting
• Fight, Shinpaku Alliance
• Fighting revolution techniques and strategies - Beat that strong guy
• THE Commander Niijima's path to world domination
• How to world domination
• What if Commander Niijima read Drucker's "Management"

 

While we are talking about Niijima, did you know that he has won every single fight according to his battle log?

 

• vs. Hermit [vol. 7] Escaping means victory!
• vs. Siegfried [vol. 9] Strategically pretended to be dead!
• vs. Berserker [vol. 14] Escaping means victory!
• vs. Capoeira team [vol. 26] Victory!

 

And the most important fact: His father is a demon and his mother an alien and they told him to conquer this planet.

Edited by erdbeerkeks, October 24 2014 - 11:59 AM.

[erdbeerkeks]

Another interesting about this picture I noticed is that, I can't believe that Ogata has ALL four of his disciples in that picture while Hongo left out his two other disciples.

That and I am looking at Saiga but I am not sure if I am looking at Saiga...

 Princes have to stand together. They could form a boy band duo.

 

The thing about Hongo and Ogata is strage, isn't it. Maybe, because Hongo never had any of then replace Shou in YOMI. So they might be his disciples, but they are not really members of YOMI and thus weren't invited.

 

Matsuena strategically hid Saiga's brooch thing to keep is guessing. I see what you did there, Mr. Matsuena.

[erdbeerkeks]

Damn thats pretty detailed theory on the legendary "Schtilvay" name!

That being said, even though its a Halberd in real life, its also can be considered a scythe since a halberd is a pole weapon with a mixed blades (usualy 3 blades) and in case of Michaels, its a spear an axe and ofcourse the main blade is infact a giant scythe.

I was doing more research and during the peasant war, most farmers were reshaping their harvesting scythe to make it more like a spear, hence the "war scythe" however some farmers decided to not mess around with the shape of the scythe because they blieved that the original farmer scythe would give them a psychological advantage which Michael made a remark while fighting Mycroft.

As far Tanimoto goes, I disagree with you, Tanimoto has TONS of personality but he is uptight towards Kenichi and other martial artists. But don't forget, this guy was a CEO when he was 6 years old+ he played Romeo in highschool and he tutors all the kids in his highschool and is number 1 when it comes to charming highschool girls. I think he is like Saiga who was charismatic and upbeat while training Shinpaku Alliance but deep down he was burning with Rage knowing that he was soon going to face the person who killed his wife all those years. Infact, I always thought perhaps Saiga and Hermit might be father and son when I got in to this series.

Thank you for that information about medieval weapons.

 

I#m sorry, my comment about Tanimoto wasn't clear. Of course it is as you have written that he's got lots of personality and it extremely skilled at almost everything. Just sometimes he's still a bit hot-blooded, easily shaken and has strong tsundere tendencies and I love him for that).

I would not be surprised if his business partners start bothering him if he doesn't want to meet their daughter/granddaughther/niece/etc. as soon as he's old enough to get married.

[Ogata]

 Princes have to stand together. They could form a boy band duo.

 

The thing about Hongo and Ogata is strage, isn't it. Maybe, because Hongo never had any of then replace Shou in YOMI. So they might be his disciples, but they are not really members of YOMI and thus weren't invited.

 

Matsuena strategically hid Saiga's brooch thing to keep is guessing. I see what you did there, Mr. Matsuena.

Thats a good point, if I recall correctly, Ogata has tons of disciples who work as personal guards based on the chapter where Ryo masters invaded Ogatas castle and instead found his underlings.

I am guessing that, those guards are Ogatas general class student while Lugh,Berserker are his personal students. That would make sense since Ogatas ragnarok was suppose to go head to head with Yomi and so like Loki, I bet Ogata has his own little faction going on.

Now that I think about it, it would have been cool if in the Master Kenichi series. We see Ogata becoming a Legendary Master like Ganosuke with his own Master Class followers as well as unarmed martial arts soldiers.

You are right about Saiga, his brooch thing is not in the picture...well played Mr.Matsuena!
 

[erdbeerkeks]

Thats a good point, if I recall correctly, Ogata has tons of disciples who work as personal guards based on the chapter where Ryo masters invaded Ogatas castle and instead found his underlings.

I am guessing that, those guards are Ogatas general class student while Lugh,Berserker are his personal students. That would make sense since Ogatas ragnarok was suppose to go head to head with Yomi and so like Loki, I bet Ogata has his own little faction going on.

Now that I think about it, it would have been cool if in the Master Kenichi series. We see Ogata becoming a Legendary Master like Ganosuke with his own Master Class followers as well as unarmed martial arts soldiers.

You are right about Saiga, his brooch thing is not in the picture...well played Mr.Matsuena!
 

Why did Matsuene have to go all ecchi and have in manga cancelled as a result? We could have seen so much more of Ogata, especially now that I think only he and Kushinada remained with Yami while the other OSNF broke away from that organization. I see endless possibilities of how sight situation might develop.

[Ogata]

Thank you for that information about medieval weapons.

 

I#m sorry, my comment about Tanimoto wasn't clear. Of course it is as you have written that he's got lots of personality and it extremely skilled at almost everything. Just sometimes he's still a bit hot-blooded, easily shaken and has strong tsundere tendencies and I love him for that).

I would not be surprised if his business partners start bothering him if he doesn't want to meet their daughter/granddaughther/niece/etc. as soon as he's old enough to get married.

No worries, though I am not sure how accurate my knowledge is on Medieval weapon history since there are some conflicting reports on Scythe user. I do wonder who Tanimoto ends up marrying.

 

Why did Matsuene have to go all ecchi and have in manga cancelled as a result? We could have seen so much more of Ogata, especially now that I think only he and Kushinada remained with Yami while the other OSNF broke away from that organization. I see endless possibilities of how sight situation might develop.

The ending was sooo confusing!!! Don't get me wrong, I don't mind if Eternal sunset would have been the last arc. The problem is, they explained NOTHING!!!

The main reason for this arc was Kushinadas butthurt past and Saiga/Senzui training Kajima did not make sense at all!!! Neither did Ganosuke not having a disciple.

I mean, technicaly speaking, it seems like to be a part of Hachiou group, you have to have a disciple, hence why Kii Kagerou was not a member, meanwhile a wack job like Michael was despite being almost insane and just completely crazy and defiant as well as not very powerful it seems,


I also agree, the possibilities was infact endless, we could have had Ogata stealing Yamis funds and hire scouts who would search for kids with talent and/or determination and teach them so many dangerous techniques and he would perfect them.

We could also have Ganosuke Yokiou involved in some new storyline which involves meeting a former disciple of his who is not running some faction somewhere in the world and they are now working together to pull of a new scheme. Also within that storyline, the new evil faction can have some evil blacksmith who is now going to make Michael a new scythe.

There is the chinese arc thing too and so many characters with so many pasts that need their own backstory...

[Delirium Trigger]

Another interesting about this picture I noticed is that, I can't believe that Ogata has ALL four of his disciples in that picture while Hongo left out his two other disciples.

That and I am looking at Saiga but I am not sure if I am looking at Saiga...

Can't tell without seeing his emblem and tekkou.

[Delirium Trigger]

 Princes have to stand together. They could form a boy band duo.

 

The thing about Hongo and Ogata is strage, isn't it. Maybe, because Hongo never had any of then replace Shou in YOMI. So they might be his disciples, but they are not really members of YOMI and thus weren't invited.

 

Matsuena strategically hid Saiga's brooch thing to keep is guessing. I see what you did there, Mr. Matsuena.

I doubt he wanted his disciples to join Yomi anyways.

[erdbeerkeks]

I found this sentence on Akisame's wiki page.
 

Akisame is also fluent in many languages, including Japanese, Russian, and English.

So a Japanese person is fluent in Japanese? Good for him, I guess.

Edited by erdbeerkeks, October 24 2014 - 04:01 PM.

[Ogata]

I doubt he wanted his disciples to join Yomi anyways.

Thats true! I bet he didn't like how Sho was treated by Yami in general and perfers his disciples to have more freedom in life since being in Yami means you have to perform various missions from higher ups once you become an independent master.

 

I found this sentence on Akisame's wiki page.
 

So a Japanese person is fluent in Japanese? Good for him, I guess.

In all fairness, I speak English better than my native language which is Farsi. Although Akisame is a Japanese living in Japan so that sentence is indeed silly.

Seeing how skilled and worldy Akisame is, I wouden't mind seeing him have his own storyline to see what he has been up to.

[citizen_lion]

German? I think we can rule that one out. I have never met a single person named Schtilvay here and I couldn't find a single entry for that name in our phone directory. Actually I think Ştirbei is the correct spelling. I googled the name Schtilvay and the only hits I got were websites related to Kenichi. I could not find a single real person with that name. Whereas I get many hits for Ştirbei with several famous people of that name.

 

They scythe he's using is a harvesting scythe (I tried to use my father's scythe once and failed miserably). I think it's interesting he's using one of these for fighting, usually scythes used for battle look different, as far as I know. Maybe it's to make him resemble the grim reaper.

 

Ogata is always way to distracting. Damn him.

 

I think his hair is gray, which would make it white in a b/w manga illustration. He is still partially hidden in shadows in that illustration. Too bad, because he seems to resemble the Elder a lot and I'd like to see a clear shot of his face. In before he looks exactly like him and is his long lost cousin or something like that.

 

Is Michael confirmed to be German? because I have always thought that Schtilvay is just a mispronunciation or translation of Stillway, which means he would have family roots in England but currently live in the US, probaby somewhere in the state of New York (according to ancestry.com).

 

About the scythe, I think that it's probably a conceit / affectation thing. When you reach grandmaster, you generally becomes a bit crazy in one way or another. Michael probably deliberately gives himself a handicap by commissioning and using something that is never meant to be a weapon.

[citizen_lion]

Speaking of Gannosuke, the person that Gannosuke look like the most is Guru Rahman. He even has a Bindi on his forehead, which suggest south Asian origin (probably an Indian person who lived in Japan for a while and took up Kenjutsu). Some of Gannosuke's technique also requires the sort of flexibility that suggests a Yoga practitioner too.

 

This would also explains why Gannosuke has been around that long and being that famous, and both the Elder and Jenazad had never met or even know much about him. It's probably because Gannosuke's home domain is in South Asia (India, Sri Lanka, etc.), which is about as far and detached from Japan and Indonesia culturally as it goes. 

[Ogata]

Is Michael confirmed to be German? because I have always thought that Schtilvay is just a mispronunciation or translation of Stillway, which means he would have family roots in England but currently live in the US, probaby somewhere in the state of New York (according to ancestry.com).

 

About the scythe, I think that it's probably a conceit / affectation thing. When you reach grandmaster, you generally becomes a bit crazy in one way or another. Michael probably deliberately gives himself a handicap by commissioning and using something that is never meant to be a weapon.

The reason I thought he was German was due to the fact that in my country Canada, we have a brand of sausage called Schniders and since sausage is a German food I thought he maybe from Germany. That and a group of German Peasants also used a Scythe as well.

As far as Handicap goes, your technicaly right since when he was fighting Mycroft he said something along the lines of "This scythe has his short comings but it makes up for it for having to see the final expression of my victims face" This was a rebuttal of Mycrofts "you won't hit me with a scythe that big"

But then again, Michael is a cautious indiviual who wears bullet proof vest+ anti-shock plates in case he fights a unarmed master.
 

Speaking of Gannosuke, the person that Gannosuke look like the most is Guru Rahman. He even has a Bindi on his forehead, which suggest south Asian origin (probably an Indian person who lived in Japan for a while and took up Kenjutsu). Some of Gannosuke's technique also requires the sort of flexibility that suggests a Yoga practitioner too.

 

This would also explains why Gannosuke has been around that long and being that famous, and both the Elder and Jenazad had never met or even know much about him. It's probably because Gannosuke's home domain is in South Asia (India, Sri Lanka, etc.), which is about as far and detached from Japan and Indonesia culturally as it goes. 

I have to 100 disagree with you on that. Problem with Ganosuke is that, he has been drawn in 3 different manner:

1. Looks like Guru Rahman with a Hipster movember Mustash (its a Canadian thing)
2. Looks like a an old man with white hair and beard
3.Looks like a darker version of Hayato with black hair/beard

Infact, even Michael looked like Berserker while fighting Mycroft while he looked like Takeda when he first interrupted Kajima.

Now going back to Ganosuke, he does have a Bindi but then again so does Ogata. But the person Ganosuke is based on is one of my personal heros in life who is no other than Miyamoto Musashi who was the founder of Niten ichi ryū which is a two sword style of Kenjutsu that uses a small/wakizashi and a regular size sword. Unlike Kendo or other styles of Kenjutsu, Niten ichi ryū is not very widespeard around the world due to the standard they expect from practioners.This picture is the most popular depiction of Miyamoto Musashi which is almost similar to Ganosuke Yokiou.

[erdbeerkeks]

As stated in my previous post, I still think he's Romanian and the correct spelling of his name would be Mihai.
 
If he were German, he'd use the German variant which doesn't sound anything like Mihai.
 
Romanian: Mihai (ミハイ/MIHAI/[can't find IPA for this name]) <- This is the one Matsuena used
German: Michael (ミハエル/MIHAERU/ˈmɪçaːʔeːl)
English: Michael (マイケル/MAIKERU/ˈmaɪ.kəl)
Russian: Mihail/Михаил (ミハイル/MIHAIRU/mʲɪxɐˈiɫ)
 
Stillway might actually be a possibility for シュティルベイ, but I think if it were Stillway he would have written it シュティルウェイ. So I'll stick with the Romanian name Ştirbei.

 

And then wiktinonary told me this:

 

 

From Vulgate Latin Michael, Michahel, from Hebrew מיכאל (mikhael, “who is like God?”).

 
The one person who has a clearly German (and very stupid) name is Edeltraft.

Edited by erdbeerkeks, October 26 2014 - 04:34 AM.

[Ogata]

As stated in my previous post, I still think he's Romanian and the correct spelling of his name would be Mihai.
 
If he were German, he'd use the German variant which doesn't sound anything like Mihai.
 
Romanian: Mihai (ミハイ/MIHAI/[can't find IPA for this name]) <- This is the one Matsuena used
German: Michael (ミハエル/MIHAERU/ˈmɪçaːʔeːl)
English: Michael (マイケル/MAIKERU/ˈmaɪ.kəl)
Russian: Mihail/Михаил (ミハイル/MIHAIRU/mʲɪxɐˈiɫ)
 
Stillway might actually be a possibility for シュティルベイ, but I think if it were Stillway he would have written it シュティルウェイ. So I'll stick with the Romanian name Ştirbei.

 

And then wiktinonary told me this:

 
The one person who has a clearly German (and very stupid) name is Edeltraft.

After doing some research on your post, I have to agree that he is most likely Romanian due to the fact that it seems like Romanians seem to be in to the whole vampire/gothic horror theme and ofcourse Transylvania is in Romania as well.

Also, another reason you are right is their food. They have a history of rich fancy gourmet food and ofcourse in your birthday list, you mentioned that Michaels hobby is good food and Romania has lots of good food.

As far as Edletraft goes, his name and looks, resemble a quincy/arrancar from the anime/manga series Bleach. Funny thing is, the quincys attacks and names are also German based and ofcourse Edletraft looks exactly like a Bleach character . No doubt his name and his outfit are german based like quincies while his weapon being a spanish sword seems like a homage to the arrancars.

[citizen_lion]

As stated in my previous post, I still think he's Romanian and the correct spelling of his name would be Mihai.
 
If he were German, he'd use the German variant which doesn't sound anything like Mihai.
 
Romanian: Mihai (ミハイ/MIHAI/[can't find IPA for this name]) <- This is the one Matsuena used
German: Michael (ミハエル/MIHAERU/ˈmɪçaːʔeːl)
English: Michael (マイケル/MAIKERU/ˈmaɪ.kəl)
Russian: Mihail/Михаил (ミハイル/MIHAIRU/mʲɪxɐˈiɫ)
 
Stillway might actually be a possibility for シュティルベイ, but I think if it were Stillway he would have written it シュティルウェイ. So I'll stick with the Romanian name Ştirbei.

 

And then wiktinonary told me this:

 
The one person who has a clearly German (and very stupid) name is Edeltraft.

 

Awesome analysis! 0.0

[erdbeerkeks]

After doing some research on your post, I have to agree that he is most likely Romanian due to the fact that it seems like Romanians seem to be in to the whole vampire/gothic horror theme and ofcourse Transylvania is in Romania as well.

Also, another reason you are right is their food. They have a history of rich fancy gourmet food and ofcourse in your birthday list, you mentioned that Michaels hobby is good food and Romania has lots of good food.

As far as Edletraft goes, his name and looks, resemble a quincy/arrancar from the anime/manga series Bleach. Funny thing is, the quincys attacks and names are also German based and ofcourse Edletraft looks exactly like a Bleach character . No doubt his name and his outfit are german based like quincies while his weapon being a spanish sword seems like a homage to the arrancars.

I bet Mihai always dresses up as vampire for Halloween parties.

 

Personally, Edeltraft reminds me more of a character from Rose of Versailles with his long hair and fancy old-fashioned name.

Since he has a "von" in his name, I think I can safely assume that he's of noble heritage and maybe even has a proper title.

Edeltraft is a really, really obscure name and I think probably no-one born after 1850 carried that name. The hits I got were for stories published in magazines from 1775 and 1808. I wonder where Matsuena got his name from. Some kitschy romance knight novel set in the middle ages? Also interesting: Most names I could find that start with Edel- are actually female given names.

For シラー I get the results Schira and Schiller, though there are not many people names Schira. I'm actually pretty sure Matsuena is referring to one of the most important German poets ever: Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller. Maybe our Eldeltraft is one of his descendants.

[citizen_lion]

I bet Mihai always dresses up as vampire for Halloween parties.

 

Personally, Edeltraft reminds me more of a character from Rose of Versailles with his long hair and fancy old-fashioned name.

Since he has a "von" in his name, I think I can safely assume that he's of noble heritage and maybe even has a proper title.

Edeltraft is a really, really obscure name and I think probably no-one born after 1850 carried that name. The hits I got were for stories published in magazines from 1775 and 1808. I wonder where Matsuena got his name from. Some kitschy romance knight novel set in the middle ages? Also interesting: Most names I could find that start with Edel- are actually female given names.

For シラー I get the results Schira and Schiller, though there are not many people names Schira. I'm actually pretty sure Matsuena is referring to one of the most important German poets ever: Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller. Maybe our Eldeltraft is one of his descendants.

 

<randomness>Could it be than Edeltraft = Edel... trap XD That would explain why "he" has a female sounding name eh?</randomness>