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[Combatmaster1o3]

Honestly, I wish the translators would have gotten his last name right in the first place. Truth is, if you google Michael Ştirbey you will get ONLY1 picture of Michael or any hsdk related pictures that are tied to him in google search which is the link for kenichiwiki.

Meanwhile, if you google Michael Schtilvay, google image is full of chapters with Michael and Michael related pictures. So sadly, its too late for Ştirbey name to catch on. Though personaly like Schtilvay but I also like the real translations as well.

Btw you said you are from Europe as well and I am curios to know if Michaels outfit is popular within the culture or perhaps sub-culture of Europe?

As far as volume 61 goes, the hell with Michael or Senzui for that matter but we NEED to know why Kushinada became so bitter and angery+ more info on the Legendary master who is on par with Elder himself!

Afterall, we have a master who is based on Myomoto Musashi who is still talked about to this very day and Kushinada being the unoffical main antagonist of the series BEGS  a backstory as to why she did what she did which was starting the eternal sunset despite the fact that she fought alongside Hayato to stop the previous one!

 

Well it is hinted that she lost something. It's possible that she lost her sanity due to this and needed to find a path. I support that with her dialog and philosophy in the huge master battle between the nine shadow fists + executioner blade vs Ryozanpaku. 

[Nacchi]

Honestly, I wish the translators would have gotten his last name right in the first place. Truth is, if you google Michael Ştirbey you will get ONLY1 picture of Michael or any hsdk related pictures that are tied to him in google search which is the link for kenichiwiki.

Meanwhile, if you google Michael Schtilvay, google image is full of chapters with Michael and Michael related pictures. So sadly, its too late for Ştirbey name to catch on. Though personaly like Schtilvay but I also like the real translations as well.

Btw you said you are from Europe as well and I am curios to know if Michaels outfit is popular within the culture or perhaps sub-culture of Europe?

As far as volume 61 goes, the hell with Michael or Senzui for that matter but we NEED to know why Kushinada became so bitter and angery+ more info on the Legendary master who is on par with Elder himself!

Afterall, we have a master who is based on Myomoto Musashi who is still talked about to this very day and Kushinada being the unoffical main antagonist of the series BEGS  a backstory as to why she did what she did which was starting the eternal sunset despite the fact that she fought alongside Hayato to stop the previous one!

 

I wouldn't give up so fast. It is true that it should have been translated properly from the start and the series has already ended, but maybe sometime someone might decide to re-scanlate the series with nice tankoubon scans instead of the blurry magazine ones. And that person might use the proper names.

And it takes some time for a name to catch on. We've just changed the wiki page and it probaly isn't properly indexed in google yet. Give it some time. I've added the origin of his name to the trivial section, so hopefully nobody will change his name back to Schtilvay again. (If they do I'll have to borrow my father's scythe and hunt them down.) I think we have to be a bit patient. After all, it worked for several other characters who had misspelled names before.

 

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As for the way he dresses: I can't speak for thw whole of Europe, because there are so many different nations, region and cultures, but so far I've never met anyone who dresses like him.

I think you might find people with a similar style who are in the goth/metal scene. Sigmaringen's hairstyle reminds me a bit of the way some punk/alternative people cut their hair.

 

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The history between Kushinada and the Elder is vertainly interesting. Maybe they really had a love affair and she thought it might become more, maybe he even made some promises, but ultimately he ditched her for whatever reason.

Though being played by a man usually isn't enough to make a woman become so bitter. There must have been something more.

 

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Do you guys think we should add a wiki page for Saiga's mother? We don't have much information about her, but her name and some scraps from the guidebook, but since Kenichi's and Miu's daughter has one I think she deserves one as well.

Edited by Nacchi, December 10 2014 - 10:25 AM.

[Ogata]

I wouldn't give up so fast. It is true that it should have been translated properly from the start and the series has already ended, but maybe sometime someone might decide to re-scanlate the series with nice tankoubon scans instead of the blurry magazine ones. And that person might use the proper names.

And it takes some time for a name to catch on. We've just changed the wiki page and it probaly isn't properly indexed in google yet. Give it some time. I've added the origin of his name to the trivial section, so hopefully nobody will change his name back to Schtilvay again. (If they do I'll have to borrow my father's scythe and hunt them down.) I think we have to be a bit patient. After all, it worked for several other characters who had misspelled names before.

 

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As for the way he dresses: I can't speak for thw whole of Europe, because there are so many different nations, region and cultures, but so far I've never met anyone who dresses like him.

I think you might find people with a similar style who are in the goth/metal scene. Sigmaringen's hairstyle reminds me a bit of the way some punk/alternative people cut their hair.

 

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The history between Kushinada and the Elder is vertainly interesting. Maybe they really had a love affair and she thought it might become more, maybe he even made some promises, but ultimately he ditched her for whatever reason.

Though being played by a man usually isn't enough to make a woman become so bitter. There must have been something more.

 

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Do you guys think we should add a wiki page for Saiga's mother? We don't have much information about her, but her name and some scraps from the guidebook, but since Kenichi's and Miu's daughter has one I think she deserves one as well.

In regards to Michaels wiki, you have to understand that the editors are very relentless with their original profiles and so often times they have a tendency to change back to the original page. Personaly speaking, when I first saw "Mihai Știrbey" I freaked out since I could no longer google his kenichiwiki since "Schtilvay" is the one that pops it up and for some reason I cannot really edit kenichi wiki all that much.

That being said, I am greatful that you are alteast letting the viewers know that "Schtilvay/Stirbey" is a mistranslation and giving an explanation as oppose to just changing it to Stirbey without explanation. I remember being told that for many years, Seitaro Ragiou was refered to as the "Wakizashi User" so in different Kenichi/hsdk forums we refered to him as that and it took a while for him to be called Seitaro but Wakizashi user to this day is his nickname among hsdk fans. But now that HSDK is over and the fact that Michael is a minor character in the big picture, I am not sure if he will ever be refered to by his real last name.


You are most likely right about Mihai attire, he is probably in to a goth/metal sub-culture since they are in to death and the whole vampire/undead theme and ofcourse Romania is the perfect country since they along with Germany were known for their Scythe skills in wars.
 

[Nacchi]

In regards to Michaels wiki, you have to understand that the editors are very relentless with their original profiles and so often times they have a tendency to change back to the original page. Personaly speaking, when I first saw "Mihai Știrbey" I freaked out since I could no longer google his kenichiwiki since "Schtilvay" is the one that pops it up and for some reason I cannot really edit kenichi wiki all that much.

That being said, I am greatful that you are alteast letting the viewers know that "Schtilvay/Stirbey" is a mistranslation and giving an explanation as oppose to just changing it to Stirbey without explanation. I remember being told that for many years, Seitaro Ragiou was refered to as the "Wakizashi User" so in different Kenichi/hsdk forums we refered to him as that and it took a while for him to be called Seitaro but Wakizashi user to this day is his nickname among hsdk fans. But now that HSDK is over and the fact that Michael is a minor character in the big picture, I am not sure if he will ever be refered to by his real last name.


You are most likely right about Mihai attire, he is probably in to a goth/metal sub-culture since they are in to death and the whole vampire/undead theme and ofcourse Romania is the perfect country since they along with Germany were known for their Scythe skills in wars.
 

I just noticed that. Some idiot undid all my changes, removed the bit about his name history from the tidbit section and even removed the scan of his guidebook profile. (?_?) Is this person able to read and understand written language? I don't have any other explanation for their behaviour otherwise.

Edited by Nacchi, December 11 2014 - 03:30 AM.

[Combatmaster1o3]

How does some one(Other tahn your self) remove changes from your posts.

[Ogata]

I just noticed that. Some idiot undid all my changes, removed the bit about his name history from the tidbit section and even removed the scan of his guidebook profile. (?_?) Is this person able to read and understand written language? I don't have any other explanation for their behaviour otherwise.

I just checked kenichiwiki and everything seems normal on Mihai Ştirbey wiki page. I have noticed Ganosuke became Oganosuke but then again Ganosuke/Oganosuke was always present at the same time, some manga sites used the first or latter.

As long as people know "Schtilvay" being a translation mistake I am cool with the page. This way if someone googles "Schtilvay" Mihai page would evidently pop up.

[Nacchi]

How does some one(Other tahn your self) remove changes from your posts.

 They can't edit my posts here in the forum, but the wiki is free to edit for everyone.

 

 

I just checked kenichiwiki and everything seems normal on Mihai Ştirbey wiki page. I have noticed Ganosuke became Oganosuke but then again Ganosuke/Oganosuke was always present at the same time, some manga sites used the first or latter.

As long as people know "Schtilvay" being a translation mistake I am cool with the page. This way if someone googles "Schtilvay" Mihai page would evidently pop up.

The Ouganosuke change was me. I thought when I'm already at correcting names, I might do his as well.

 

The thing is, a wiki should have correct information. If we left every mistake there that someone/the translator made it would be a horrible mess. Strangely noone ever had problems when I changed Edeltrafts and Ouganosuke's name (and I think I corrected another one, but I forgot which one). It's only Mihai that gives me so much trouble.

[Combatmaster1o3]

Maybe you should educate them?

[Nacchi]

Maybe you should educate them?

I've added an explanation to his page, but if someone is unable (or unwilling) to read and understand it, there's only so much I can do. I'll just keep an eye on his page.

[Nacchi]

You can compare his HSDK profile to the one of proto-Apachai from Tatakae.

 

Apachai Hopachai (アパチャイ・ホパチャイ)

Affiliation: Ryōzanpaku

Ki: Dou

Age: 29

Birthday: Unknown

Height: 201 cm

Weight: 120 kg

Hobbies: Feeding pigeons in the park, playing with children and animals, othello

Likes: Hamburg steak, curry, spaghetti

Dislikes: Ghosts

Dreams for the future: Living in the hamburg steak kingdom.

• He is a katsujinken fighter who originally learned a satsujinken martial art. He had to learn how to hold back.

• He is a gentle person who loves and is loved by children and animals.

• He grew up in a Muay Thai gym and was raised by his master and the older disciples.

• Everyone feels drawn to him, because of his gentle nature.

• His love for children and animals is also his weak point. If one is held hostage his battle power drops, because he’s afraid he might hurt them.

• He values his disciple Kenichi higher than his own live and is willing to die for him if he has to.

• Agaard is the person who understands Apachai the most, he is also like an older brother to him, and his teacher.

• He’s about at the same mental age as Honoka. They both love playing othello and hit off really well.

• The Elder guided him on his way towards the katsujinken.

• It seems he once fought Mihai Ştirbey.

• Apachai writes down words he likes in his “Apa-note”. He’s currently writing in his 108th notebook.

• His smelling sense is a keen as a shark’s. He can smell food from far away and tell if something is edible or not by its smell. It’s so good that he can smell hamburg steak from a distance of several kilometers.

• His Apunch and his Chaikick won’t kill you, but they will send you to physical hell.

• He did not keep Pisuke the hill myna, because he knows how much a pet costs from the time he kept his pet tiger Meo.

• His “I can’t show this to good kids” Punch has a different effect besides damage. It reforms the “bad kids” that get hit.

• Apachai’s mysterious Apayaki that the sold during a festival are baked sweets with a sweet bean filling on a flour base.

• Apachai’s Japanese is rather peculiar, because he sometimes remembers things wrong.

• Apachai receives pocket money! Miu manages his pocket money so he won’t waste it.

[Ogata]

I am really curios to know how Hachiou Executioner Blade were formed. I know Osnf was a peace treaty but what about HEB? I mean we have members from various places in Europe as well as Japan and in Mildreds case, possibliy america under one roof.

I wonder if there was a story as to how they were formed and if perhaps possibliy, there were former members prior to Mihai or Mildred seeing how they seem like the youngest members in the Executioner Blade.

Although I remember Elder and Seitaro saying "The executioner blade is gathering" which meant that they were defunct for sometime!?

[Nacchi]

I am really curios to know how Hachiou Executioner Blade were formed. I know Osnf was a peace treaty but what about HEB? I mean we have members from various places in Europe as well as Japan and in Mildreds case, possibliy america under one roof.

I wonder if there was a story as to how they were formed and if perhaps possibliy, there were former members prior to Mihai or Mildred seeing how they seem like the youngest members in the Executioner Blade.

Although I remember Elder and Seitaro saying "The executioner blade is gathering" which meant that they were defunct for sometime!?

 

I have no idea about the Danzaiba's history. But about that gathering point: I don't think they were defunct, but everyone was more or less doing their own thing until the Eternal Sunset plan was set in action. After all the OSNF usually didn't come together that often either and it is kind of an extraordinary thing to have all of them together in one place.

But I've got the impression that the Danzaiba member get along better with each other than the OSNF do with the other members of their group.

[Ogata]

I have no idea about the Danzaiba's history. But about that gathering point: I don't think they were defunct, but everyone was more or less doing their own thing until the Eternal Sunset plan was set in action. After all the OSNF usually didn't come together that often either and it is kind of an extraordinary thing to have all of them together in one place.

But I've got the impression that the Danzaiba member get along better with each other than the OSNF do with the other members of their group.

Very true! I have noticed that Danzaiba members are very respecful to one another. I think its due to the fact that their leader is leaps and bounds more powerful than the rest of the member and Seitaro despite not being anything special as a master, he still seems very well connected with various ventures and is well aware of how things operate.

I am re-reading the Danzaiba debut and I have noticed that Mihai calls Seitaro "Mister" which is considered polite and respecful and Seitaro was teasing Mihai because Kenichi almost tricked him with his dancing/singing in order to make a run on that ship.

Meanwhile, Saiga/Senzui are not strong enough to control the likes of Kushinada or Jenazad while Ogata seems like he is using yami for his own personal goals since he didn't really care about Berserker/Lugh switching sides.

Now that I think about it, I think the reason OSNF has trouble working with one another is that, the OSNF members are way too powerful and there is not a strong enough leader to keep them in check. I mean Hongo could probably one shot Mildred,Raki,Marmaduke and Seitaro as well ( got damaged from a half-dead Kagerou punch) like he did with Mihai.

So we have Danzaiba who have medicore grandmasters but LEGENDARY Master for a leader. While OSNF have top level grandmasters with few masters that are close to Hayatos level but not quite as strong. (I still maintain Jenazad to be slightly weaker than Hayato/Yokiou)

[Combatmaster1o3]

I think the respect differs due to cultural differences in their martial arts as well. The entire OSNF shut up the moment Saiga(Senzui? doubt it but its possible) told them to do so. The presence of a leader is important as is was mentioned several times that decisions would be made faster if One shadow was not doing business. Executioner Blade's leader seems to have very little interest in business, probably because he wasn't plotting the eternal sunset. 

 

So we have Danzaiba who have medicore grandmasters but LEGENDARY Master for a leader. While OSNF have top level grandmasters with few masters that are close to Hayatos level but not quite as strong. (I still maintain Jenazad to be slightly weaker than Hayato/Yokiou)

This is the only thing I don't agree with, where does Saiga and Senzui fit into this? Are they as strong as the Elder and Yokiou, I think not. However the still would cream Jenazad. Honestly I find Jenazad a little higher than Miu's mother due to experience. While its true that Jenazad was playing with Hongo in the middle, Hongo still played a threat to him(Note both Hongo and Sakaki were still injured). Hongo got creamed by disguised Senziu, who is equal to Saiga, who also stated that he could never beat his dad. Jenazad would have the toughest fight of his life with Shizuha, and would not leave Saiga or Senziu unscathed. But the strength difference is not large enough for either to miss anything, so the outcome won't be subject to special circumstances like the fight vs Kano and Kenichi or Jenazad and Hongo. 

[Nacchi]

Sakaki Shio (逆鬼至緒)

Affiliation: Ryōzanpaku

Ki: Dou

Age: 30

Birthday: May 7

Height: 192 cm

Weight: 110 kg

Hobbies: Alcohol, gambling

Likes: Alcohol!

Dislikes: Cowards

Dreams for the future: Win big money with gambling and live  in leisure…

• He takes pride in his explosion like power and is at the pinnacle of the “dou” karateka.

• He is a practitioner of the Mutenkendoku-style karate, a true Yami martial art and he could have become one of the OSNF. But although he uses a satsujinken martial art, in his hand it becomes a katsujinken style.

• Hongō and Sakaki have known each other since the time they were still training and have fought each other many times. They acknowledge each other and are kind of each other’s favourite opponent.

• Suzuki Hajime asked Sakaki to be his disciple.  Sakaki somewhat thought of like like a younger brother. He had a short life.

• Kenichi is his very first disciple. He refused him at the beginning, but now he feels lonely when Kenichi isn’t around.

• Jennifer Gray is his self-proclaimed fianceé.  She’s the daughter of a benefactor he met during his time in America. She made him promise to marry her when she was still a young girl.

• Christopher Eclair was once his ally, but because he is a scoundrel Sakaki buried him in the desert.

• Mycroft is an Englishman and was once a ally as well. He buried him in the desert together with Christopher.

• Despite his rough appearance and behaviour he likes his disciple very much and is often terrible at hiding his tender side.

• He’s very easily moved to tears, like for example during Miu’s stage play.

• Akisame took part in the creation of Sakaki’s “Great principles of Brawling”. It’s a vast collection that contains the secret teachings of brawling and consists of 108 chapters. There’s a surprising secret story about their naming. The word “Koechel number” is originally a catalogue of Mozart’s music. Akisa, who has a deep knowledge about music, thought “That’s it!” when he heard the word.

• Even a defiant man like Sakaki is no match for his older sister. She is just as wild as her younger brother!? Currently she seems to be working as an office lady, but to Sakaki she’s as scary as ever.

• No matter what, Sakaki will never let go of his alcohol. He loves alcohol above everything else, and while beer is his favourite he’ll always say “As expected, this is the best!” about whatever he’s drinking.

• Sakaki’s way of handling money: He occasionally receives a huge amount at once and saves it as it is.

• He’s made up many secret signs to communicate with Kenichi that he wants to skip training, depending on where he wants to go.

• He’s is known and feared not only in Japan but all around the world from the time he travelled.

• He’s a man who doesn’t fear anything, but children and ghosts seem to be his weaknesses. He’s not afraid of anyone besides his older sister, but he really can’t deal with children and ghosts. Both have in common that he can’t simply hit them in order to deal with them.

• By the way, if you tell Sakaki that he can’t deal with scary story he’ll hit you for sure.

• He likes gambling. When Apachai is around he’ll go to the horseracing track, because he can talk to horses. Akisama is better at Pachino than Sakaki. Slot machines aren’t really his thing.  He can make a killing with betting on underground fighting matches.

• If Sakaki wins at anything he’ll say “As expected, this is the best!”

[Nacchi]

Hm, HSDK-Sakaki with his 192 cm is 10 centimeters taller than Tatakae-Sakaki (182 cm).
He's also 10 centimeters taller than Hongō (182 cm). This is kind of strange, because I always thought he and Hongō were about the same height. Maybe Sakaki would be a bit taller, but I didn't expect it to be that much. I wonder if the 192 cm are a typo.

[Ogata]

In regards to Sakakis: " slot machine aren't his thing"

...What about sluts?


Awesome info on Sakaki, dude is the pinnacle of an ALPHA MALE and a REAL Manly Man!

[Combatmaster1o3]

What about poor old Ma or Akisame?

[Nacchi]

Oh no, Wazadepa decided to close their BBS, because they could not keep up with replying anymore and they are doing some re-structuring over there. They've only left the last few entires as screenshots on their website, but those might get deleted sometime without further notice. Damn it.

 

Some info from the BBS screenshots

• We won't get a color illustration for the Danzaiba with the last volume, bacause it's reserved for Kenichi and his masters.
• It looks like you cannot use Seidou Gouitsu and Shinogidachi at the same time.
• Marmaduke has a beautiful face.
• The Elders's eyesight depends on his mood. It can be extremely good or when he feels like it he'll say he's old and his eyesight is horrible.
• They won't tell us neither when Miu and Kenichi got married nor the name of their daughter.
• There isn't really a risk with being a Sei-ki user, but it's complicated to learn.
• If Jenazard and the Elder would have continued their fight it seems like the Elder would have won. However he would have taken some extremely serious damage.
• Mildred's hair is blonde aund her bikini armor is dark green and brown. Raki's hair is black and she wears a red kimono.

 

I really hope the make a new BBS.

Edited by Nacchi, January 02 2015 - 06:54 AM.

[Combatmaster1o3]

• The Elders's eyesight depends on his mood. It can be extremely good or when he feels like it he'll say he's old and his eyesight is horrible. Does this apply to hearing as well.