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[erdbeerkeks]

 

 

and Ma is actually very faithful to his wife and had never slept with another woman, also not because he can't get any, but because he doesn't really care as much about the actual sex as just looking at a beautiful body (for 5 seconds before he gets bored and go look at another one)

I have to disagree a bit about Ma Kensei here. He wasn't called the Shining Genji of China for no reason, I think. The part I agree with is that he is very faithful to his wife now (out of incredible fear).

There have been a few eh... moments in time when I may have pondered about this. Jesus, just imagine Saiga x Shizua. Or the Elder x His Spouse. Akisame must have banged at least a few chicks, not to mention Ma. Talk about pussy destroyers. To be fair, how free some of these guys are in addition to how good their packin, I'm not surprised they don't have an indecent amount of kids. Surely theres a reason why Kuremisago is so populated and full of chicks with really good curves. If it were less taboo to strip tease men I bet we wont be surprised about the guys, especially considering the physique of some.

This manga really need more male fanservice. It can't be that Diego Carlos is the only one willing to give it. Can we send a petition to Mr. Matsuena?

[Raigou]

http://readms.com/r/hsdk/581/2522/1 Mangastream's out.

[Combatmaster1o3]

http://readms.com/r/hsdk/581/2522/1 Mangastream's out.

Still prefer Mangapanda translations.

[Raigou]

Still prefer Mangapanda translations.

Yeah the guy translating Kenichi doesn't actually read it but the images are higher quality. For example in that one panel of elder punching the missile you can see earth under him kinda circular. Makes you wonder how fast missiles are and how high that is ?

 

Edit. I'm going to assume its a intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), which according to wikipedia at the boost phase it moves at 4 km/s !!! That's mental for moment there Elder was moving faster than the missile punching his way up but I doubt it had reached the full 4 km/s.

Edited by Raigou, September 04 2014 - 06:24 AM.

[Combatmaster1o3]

Yeah the guy translating Kenichi doesn't actually read it but the images are higher quality. For example in that one panel of elder punching the missile you can see earth under him kinda circular. Makes you wonder how fast missiles are and how high that is ?

 

Edit. I'm going to assume its a intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), which according to wikipedia at the boost phase it moves at 4 km/s !!! That's mental for moment there Elder was moving faster than the missile punching his way up but I doubt it had reached the full 4 km/s.

It doesn't mean he moved faster than the missle by himself, he probably twisted the metal with his fists to grab onto the rocket and propel himself. Also this may be a last ditch effort using all his strength.

[Raigou]

@Combatmaster1o3 Didn't think of that, so climbing the missile with punches. That still is badass tho.

[Combatmaster1o3]

@Combatmaster1o3 Didn't think of that, so climbing the missile with punches. That still is badass tho.

Really like the new image... need to get one myself.

[Combatmaster1o3]

If I remember correctly, nuclear missile war heads are encased(usually) with lead as a fail safe. This probably isn't a nuke but ah well. If Raigou is going to speculate that its a IBM, well were talking 150-170 kt warheads, and Yami seems like they can do it. With the amount of gold they've got, since there now second to America, they can actually put weight behind a currency. Seems they plan to make a nation, maybe they want to take Japan by force? 

[citizen_lion]

ya, I had always explained that as "climbing up the missile" with punches and kicks, which make the most sense.

 

His first leap off the building was when the missile only cleared about 200m into the air (if you look out of aircraft windows or just windows of tall buildings, scenery would look about that big from 200m up). The top speed of 4km/s is normally achieved at the end of the boost phase, at about 100000 to 400000m, so this is literally when the missile first start flying. It's speed cannot be that great.

 

The elder jumping up at 800-1000km/h would easily catch on to the missile, and the rest was a climb (so by this time his momentum is with the missiles, and so he isn't actually flying up at 4km/s).

[Combatmaster1o3]

So guys, what about the debris? Shrapnel flying through the air is not only a wrisk to the Elder, but everyone below him as well. Also what was Yami targeting? It seems everyone thought that Japan is going to be destroyed, wtf is that missile and why Japan. Since I also messed up and wrote 150-170 instead of 15-17 megatons.

[erdbeerkeks]

So guys, what about the debris? Shrapnel flying through the air is not only a wrisk to the Elder, but everyone below him as well. Also what was Yami targeting? It seems everyone thought that Japan is going to be destroyed, wtf is that missile and why Japan. Since I also messed up and wrote 150-170 instead of 15-17 megatons.

It does not have to destroy Japan. It's enough if it hits a bigger city and causes damage/death. Japan has border conflicts with China, South Korea and Russia and there has always been the threat from North Korea that they would send missiles. And the US Army has bases there. If Japan was hit they and the US might blame China/Russia/Korea and decide to attack them "in return" for the missile. I think it would not take long for other countries to join the conflict, especially if the situation in these countries is already unstable and one of the afore mentioned countries is somehow involved in these conflicts. (e. g. Ukraine/Russia/EU, Middle East/US) => WW III

[Combatmaster1o3]

It does not have to destroy Japan. It's enough if it hits a bigger city and causes damage/death. Japan has border conflicts with China, South Korea and Russia and there has always been the threat from North Korea that they would send missiles. And the US Army has bases there. If Japan was hit they and the US might blame China/Russia/Korea and decide to attack them "in return" for the missile. I think it would not take long for other countries to join the conflict, especially if the situation in these countries is already unstable and one of the afore mentioned countries is somehow involved in these conflicts. (e. g. Ukraine/Russia/EU, Middle East/US) => WW III

But the thing is they're aware of yami and there plans. It would be sooo easy to foil them politically. Both if the missile hit or if their plan failed. Yami is going to take a hit after this. Clearly America and Europe aren't really influenced by Yami, so I can say with some certainty that America and Nato isn't on there side plus I don't think they want them to be. Russia , pfft forget about it, they defiantly don't have their support. I cant say much for china, but it seems the big super powers of the world aren't on there side. I vaguely remember that they'll be mercs for hire(in a world war) is that right. Any way, due to how the plot went out and the fact that Matsuena may or may not have come up with what the final Eternal sunset should be.

[erdbeerkeks]

But the thing is they're aware of yami and there plans. It would be sooo easy to foil them politically. Both if the missile hit or if their plan failed. Yami is going to take a hit after this. Clearly America and Europe aren't really influenced by Yami, so I can say with some certainty that America and Nato isn't on there side plus I don't think they want them to be. Russia , pfft forget about it, they defiantly don't have their support. I cant say much for china, but it seems the big super powers of the world aren't on there side. I vaguely remember that they'll be mercs for hire(in a world war) is that right. Any way, due to how the plot went out and the fact that Matsuena may or may not have come up with what the final Eternal sunset should be.

Yami doesn't need to have big influence over these countries to start a war and I think it would work although many(?) know it's been Yami who sent the missile. All you need is a bunch of countries that don't like each other to begin with (in this case Japan and China would be prime candidates) and that would happily blame each other for the incident.

("These Yami guys are actually a terrorist group that works for the Chinese government!" - "Fuck you, That's been some elaborate plan to put the blame on China!" and so on)

Wars have been started and are still going on right now over some really stupid shit in the past where no one involved really knows or cares who's at fault. Any reason is good enough to fight the enemy. It's actually really scary if you read a bit about current and past conflicts and their "reasons".

Other countries would take sides with their allies or just jump in if they think it might be something in for them.

 

 

there ≠ their

[citizen_lion]

15-17 megatons, spread out over 20-30 reentry vehicles (this looks to be twice to three times as big as the R-36 icbm from Russia, the biggest ICBM in the real world) would easily wipe out a number of cities in Japan, not one. And this is with the assumption that Yami only has access to tech available after the nuclear disarmament post cold war (a reasonable assumptions, since these things are huge, and even for an organization of superhumans it would take some serious luck to steal them without anyone knowing, and as big as Yami is, there is literally zero chance that they would have the actual technical capability to build thermonuclear warheads).

 

Also, I don't think anyone actually knew about the missiles other than Ryozanpaku and the Japanese government. Saig... Lame and Cowardly Disguising Lord never stated exactly that he would destroy Japan, only that he would take over control.

 

So post nuclear attack. The case that all other nations will start blaming each other and use this as a cause of war is a completely real possibility.

 

Also we must not discount the fact that although the West isn't as utterly in thrall to Yami as Japan is, we cannot discount that there are certainly agents of them. French and Britain has Eclair and Mycroft. Russia has Alexander. Mexico has Diego. Granted, these three don't go with the WWIII plan (because they are grandmasters in their own right and are hard to manipulate), but there's nothing to stop lesser masters who are more easily manipulated or bought over to act on Yami behalf.

 

An assassination here, a terrorist attack there, and people would very rapidly forget the exact WHY Japan was attacked, only that it was attacked and someone is to blamed.

 

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Speaking of the debris, it would be a crazy and glorious end of the arc if the next chapter will be dealing with how everyone deals with the falling debris. Ken would finally have his true maturity moment where has grown enough to truly protect Miu, deflecting big fragments flying at bullet speed, and tanking the smaller ones like Shou Kanou did, coming close to the point of dying until Shigure takes over and said to him with a smile "you did well my disciple... One day... protect me too."

 

The feels!!!!

Edited by citizen_lion, September 04 2014 - 06:10 PM.

[Combatmaster1o3]

 And this is with the assumption that Yami only has access to tech available after the nuclear disarmament post cold war (a reasonable assumptions, since these things are huge, and even for an organization of superhumans it would take some serious luck to steal them without anyone knowing, and as big as Yami is, there is literally zero chance that they would have the actual technical capability to build thermonuclear warheads).

Excuse me, what? Not all Yami members are masters, or even fighters. Don't you remember the large fucking team of scientists. Or the engineer. I'm sure theirs not more of them. Or any that specialize in that field. Are you really underestimating their recourses? If I sound a little angry, then my apologies but thats a big miscalculation. 

Edited by Combatmaster1o3, September 04 2014 - 07:44 PM.

[Ogata]

Who is funding yami!!!!???


Also, is it safe to say that Kushinada is infact the Unoffical leader of the OSNF and is closer in strength to Gansouke than Sen-suzi?

[Raigou]

@Ogata Kushinada is definitely the unofficial leader of Yami but as for comparing her power to Senzui she just hasn't fought enough. Though even if hypothetically Senzui is was faster, stronger, more agile, more endurable, has more ki etc. than Kushinada she'd still win a fight between the two cause of her weird jujitsu.

[Combatmaster1o3]

@Ogata Kushinada is definitely the unofficial leader of Yami but as for comparing her power to Senzui she just hasn't fought enough. Though even if hypothetically Senzui is was faster, stronger, more agile, more endurable, has more ki etc. than Kushinada she'd still win a fight between the two cause of her weird jujitsu.

Unofficial in the sense that she has great influence and councils the two Ichies. She however didn't and cannot command the eternal sunset to happen if the the Ichie said no. She also wasn't commanding the ENTIRE military. It may be possible that Senzui was in the economic and possibly political world. Lets not undermine Senzui's planing and leadership ability. It may be that Saiga also had initialy helped, and would have gone through with it had he not found out about who really killed his wife.

[citizen_lion]

Excuse me, what? Not all Yami members are masters, or even fighters. Don't you remember the large fucking team of scientists. Or the engineer. I'm sure theirs not more of them. Or any that specialize in that field. Are you really underestimating their recourses? If I sound a little angry, then my apologies but thats a big miscalculation. 

 

You do have a point, but I think you underestimate how difficult it is to build thermonuclear devices. I'm no expert on that subject either, never took physics past 2nd year, but I like to read about history a lot and I have the impression that it takes A LOT of everything to build nuclear weapons. I can understand that they manage to create a huge rocket complete with decent targeting system. That in itself is already an incredible feat that rivals the world's biggest nations.

 

But to build a nuclear warhead (or multiple), one would need raw materials, which are very tightly controlled by any nation that has it, and constantly being monitored by the US due to Cold War fears. The only reasonable place they can get it from is to smuggle it from Russia. Then they need a facility to purify it. Then they need a plethora of experts to oversee all of these stages. Finally the warhead itself is an extremely precise device, so they need bespoke manufacturing facilities to produce the components too.

 

With a rocket, it is reasonable that they can commission parts from various big companies, even military manufacturers like Lockheed, Northrop, etc., given enough money & influence. But for a nuclear device, they would have to literally build the whole process in house, on that island, because there isn't a commercial entity that would supply anything in that process.

 

All of that is not a plan that can be enacted in a few years, and really Suzi only had this idea a few years ago.

 

It would be far far easier for them to just steal these warheads from stockpiles, each grandmaster is far more than strong enough to lift one and run. But this would limit them to the weaker warheads left after the disarmament, which means the full yield of this huge ICBM would still be 15MT max, probably 1MT or less per warhead.

Edited by citizen_lion, September 05 2014 - 10:58 AM.

[erdbeerkeks]

Was it ever outright stated that this thing has a nuclear warhead? Both translations only say missile with no mention of nuclear whatsoever. I think f it were one it would say so directly in the text.