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[Berrick]

What fights would you want to see even if they were unlikely to happen? Also how do you think they would play out? How do you want them to play out?

 

For me:

 

Jenezad vs Mikumo

 

Ryuto vs Tirawat Koukin

 

 

There's more fights I would like to see, but these are the ones I want to discuss at the moment. 

 

Jenezad vs Mikumo

I think this would be a good fight. Jenezad would get serious and use everything he has for once. He seems to have the speed to match Mikumo too. Kushida should still have speed advantage IMO, however slight. That said, I think Jenezad would have a hard time doing significant damage.  I'm not sure how this one would end to be honest

 

Ryuto vs Tirawat Koukin

The two most analytical members of Yomi going at it. I'm not sure who would win this one either, but I believe Ryuto has more options in this battle. 

 

 

[Nacchi]

As unrealistic as we want? I that case I want to know the solution of the forbidden question: "Who is the strongest master of Ryōzanpaku?" (not counting the Elder)

 

I don't care if the go for a tournament system or a battle royale. But that would be some glorious fights.

[Berrick]

As unrealistic as we want? I that case I want to know the solution of the forbidden question: "Who is the strongest master of Ryōzanpaku?" (not counting the Elder)

 

I don't care if the go for a tournament system or a battle royale. But that would be some glorious fights.

That's a really hard question. Lol. Well I guess it would be easier if I list their strengths and feats:

 

 

Shigure

 

- Is able to move her hands at supersonic speeds. This is the fastest shown speed of any master other than the Elder. (1), (2)

- Fastest shown reaction speed other than the Elder.

- Can use a large number of weapons with Mastery

- Can use her weapon as extension of her body.

- Seems to prefer the sword over other weapons

- Apparently is very good at reading distances (1)

 

 

 

Sakaki

 

- Has a enormous strength

- knows many different techniques (look here)

- Can use the fighter's high

- Can use high level Fajin (look here)

 

 

 

Apachi

 

- Has a enormous strength

- Becoming a Katsujinken made his techniques stronger (1), (2)

- Has a lot of willpower. He can still fight with an injury like this (1)

- Uses eight limb style

 

 

 

Ma Kensei

 

- Is fast enough to attack each of Mikumo's clones (1), (2)

- Mastered all Chinese Martial Arts

- Is a Mixed Martial Artists

- Can use many different weapons

- Likely the most versatile master other than the Elder. 

- Can use high level Fajin (Look here)

- Can tear muscles through a scrub, effectively reducing a muscles strength by 30% (1), (2)

 

 

 

Akisame

 

- Has super cognition (meaning great analytical skill)

- Has great endurance and great strength due to pink muscle training

- Can enter his opponent's dead angle, effectively disappearing from view (1)

- Is extremely durable thanks to his training method (1), (2)

- Can easily stop a Yami level opponent from landing a strike on him, while focusing on defense (1), (2), (3), (4)

 

 

 

Even though they're different than each other I think they have a lot of similar abilities as well. Take Shigure's supersonic speed for example, I think all members of Ryo are capable of that, otherwise I would think she would be far stronger than the other Ryo master because of speed alone. That just doesn't seem to be the case. If it was the case why are they so ready to spar with Shigure?  On paper Shigure is the strongest though. 

 

If I had to say who was the strongest Ryo master it would be between Ma Kensei and Akisame. Ma has enough foot speed to attack 3 of Mikumo's clones, is extremely versatile and has extremely powerful attacks like Soutenshu.  Akisame has great endurance, strength and durability.  Akisame is also very analytical and has powerful secret techniques. I guess Ma Kensei is the strongest, his versatility IMO gives him the win in a 1 on 1 battle scenario. Whether or not Akisame or  Ma is the strongest depends on if Ma can counter disappearing move IMO. If he can than I think Ma is the strongest. Although I could be wrong, all of them have powerful techniques and strong bodies. Who wins could largely depend on plot. I mean which of them have a counter for each others strongest techniques depends on may depend mostly on plot.

Edited by ki0, March 15 2015 - 03:30 PM.

[Delirium Trigger]

A full showing of Siegfried vs Hermit. I need to see how Siegfried lost this one.

 

Siegfried vs Berserker rematch. He needs this.

 

Hermit alone or with Renka/Li Raichi/Miu?) vs the Santoryu team. (Kaku Shin Ten, Yo Tekai, Yinlin Chou). Some Kenpo fights would be nice.

 

Hermit vs Li Raichi. 

 

Sho Kano vs Satomi Kajima (Seidou gouitsu vs Shinogidachi)

 

Miu vs Renka. (Of course, this is a must see fight!)

 

Ryuto vs Rimi vs Sho Kano (Battle of Dual ki combination)

 

Siegfried vs Miu. I'm interested to see how she'll try to take him on.

 

Kenichi vs Siegfried. (Will Mubyoshi work on him this time!?!! Or will Sieg's Karma Multi-strain put an end to his infinite beats?

 

Hermit vs Kenichi (The long await rematch!)

 

Hermit vs Renka (Battle of Kung Fu)

 

Alexander vs Diego (Grapple battle)

 

Hongo vs Diego (I just want to see why Diego fears him. I picture a "spar" Hongo "took seriously").

 

Miu vs Hermit. Talented blondes with sad backstories (Hermit is sadder though.)

 

Jihan vs Hermit. Koryo's prince vs Tidat's prince (King).

 

Yokio vs Shigure. How will she fare against a legend?

 

Rachel vs Miu. Was Rachel a better acrobat? Or was Miu holding back as usual?

 

Rachel vs Hermit.

 

Berserker vs Miu. Two prodigies of martial arts. Berserker Mode vs Unfiltered Dou.

 

Kokin vs Berserker. Can Kokin manipulate Shogo into defeat? 

 

Hermit vs Kokin. Dark Jedi vs Sith. (You can NOT deny he looks like a Sith Tanimoto!) Can Kokin play with Hermit's mind? Or will he be fooled by the actor in society? Science of Eight Limbs vs Eight Extremities Fist (Plus Pi Gua zhang)

 

Current Hermit vs Meatman (Martial Arts Tag Team arc). Will Kyousa/Gou Kyousa be able to put the acrofatic down? (Of freaking course)

 

Current Siegfried and Hermit vs DofD Arc Fortuna (How will this duo take on Fortuna when he's mad he can't have them?)

 

Current Miu, Kenichi and Hermit vs any normal master class fighter. 

Miu, Kenichi, Siegfried and Hermit against a grand master. (Sieg the Tank and shield, Miu the experienced speedster, Kenichi as a fellow tank and heavy hitter, and Hermit the DMG/Guard Breaker/mage. Whatever his Kyousa do to the master)

 

Agaard vs Sakaki Two hulked up brawlers of differing beliefs clash!

 

Current Odin vs Sho Kano 

 

Current Beserker vs Sho Kano 

 

Current Hermit vs Sho Kano. Friendly spar gone awry? 

 

Hermit vs Kajima. Can Kyousa penetrate the Shindogachi?

 

Akisame vs Hongo. Two sei lookalikes. Who'll outwit whom?

 

Hermit vs Tekada. (Titan arc Alt Reality) Could Takeda beat Hermit? (Major doubt IMHO. Tekada isn't the only one with high tenacity. I believe Hermit has one of, if not, the highest tenacity there is.)

 

Siegfried vs Lugh (Titan Arc AR) The battle of two counter artists with inhuman levels of sensory. 

 

Hermit vs Valkyrie. Two dou users who improve in the heat of battle. 

 

Kii Kagerou vs Yokio. Can Kii outmaneuver Yokio with his supersonic movement? (Nah...but he may impress him)

 

Yokio vs Mukimo. (I see 1,002 severed hands in the aftermath).

 

Hermit vs Ethan. Two brothers fighting for their sister's sake. 

 

I'mma stop here.....whoops.

[Ogata]

Its interesting that you have Yokio vs Kii and Shigure separately since I have always wondered how well Shigure and Kagerou would do if they teamed up against Yokiou.

I know they should lose unless they pull a Hongo but then I really do wonder...

So for me it would be:

Yokiou vs Kii and Shigure

I also want Michael finishing his fight with Mycroft since it was an interesting and unexpected match up.

Besides that, I want to see these regular match ups:

Christopher Éclair vs Retsumin Kei

Jenazad vs 7 Executioner Blade at the same time (except Yokiou)

Michael vs Elder Wong- Battle of two masters who are known for their Jagged teeth!

Sei-Dou Ogata vs Saiga or Senzui

Seitaro vs Steven Seagal SUPERFIGHT!!!

[Berrick]

Hermit vs Takeda

I would also like to see this one. I think this would be a close fight. 

 

Tirawat Koukin vs Takeda

I think it would be interesting to see how Takeda would deal with this match up. 

 

Akisame vs Mikumo

The two jiu jujitsu masters. In particular I wonder how Akisame would deal with Mikumo's technique

 

Ogata vs Jenezad/ Mikumo/ Saiga/ Senzui

I wonder how Ogata would handle fighters of their level.

[Combatmaster1o3]

Hermit vs Takeda

I would also like to see this one. I think this would be a close fight. 

 

Tirawat Koukin vs Takeda

I think it would be interesting to see how Takeda would deal with this match up. 

 

Akisame vs Mikumo

The two jiu jujitsu masters. In particular I wonder how Akisame would deal with Mikumo's technique

 

Ogata vs Jenezad/ Mikumo/ Saiga/ Senzui

I wonder how Ogata would handle fighters of their level.

Tirawat Koukin and Takeda, while on paper that sounds cool. I think that would be cool however I see this as a very boring fight. Tey are not opposites and won't learn anyhting from each other.

[Berrick]

Tirawat Koukin and Takeda, while on paper that sounds cool. I think that would be cool however I see this as a very boring fight. Tey are not opposites and won't learn anyhting from each other.

I'm of a different opinion, I think it would be a fun fight to read. Here's my thinking on the matter:

 

- How will Takeda deal with Muay Thai low kick?

- How will Takeda deal with Yan Erawan?

- Will Koukin use psychological warfare, and target Takeda's arm? 

- Since Koukin likes to attack as his opponent attacks, how will he deal with Takeda's Hair's breath cross counter?

- How will Koukin deal with Takeda's All Range punch? 

 

 

These questions make it interesting to me. Although, if Takeda can't deal with Muay Thai Low kick, it probably wouldn't be that interesting.

[Combatmaster1o3]

I'm of a different opinion, I think it would be a fun fight to read. Here's my thinking on the matter:

 

- How will Takeda deal with Muay Thai low kick?

- How will Takeda deal with Yan Erawan?

- Will Koukin use psychological warfare, and target Takeda's arm? 

- Since Koukin likes to attack as his opponent attacks, how will he deal with Takeda's Hair's breath cross counter?

- How will Koukin deal with Takeda's All Range punch? 

 

 

These questions make it interesting to me. Although, if Takeda can't deal with Muay Thai Low kick, it probably wouldn't be that interesting.

If Takeda can't deal with Muay thai low kick then it will be interesting. Other wise then its a repeat, and that is just boring. And seeing how you want to know how these moves will relate to each other, then you have not been paying much attention to his great fights that actually showed him fighting. How will Koukin deal with Takeda's all range punch, thats just a ki fient. Takeda's counter, well he is not at the level yomi is, not yet anyway, so I doubt that he can pull it off. If he does, its just a counter. Yan Erawan? one hit kill jk. That move can only be used if the opponent hesitates like Kenichi did. Bro, your probably have other intrests in this fight, but to me, these reasons are boring cause they are so situational and explained to be situational. 

[Berrick]

If Takeda can't deal with Muay thai low kick then it will be interesting. Other wise then its a repeat, and that is just boring. And seeing how you want to know how these moves will relate to each other, then you have not been paying much attention to his great fights that actually showed him fighting. How will Koukin deal with Takeda's all range punch, thats just a ki fient. Takeda's counter, well he is not at the level yomi is, not yet anyway, so I doubt that he can pull it off. If he does, its just a counter. Yan Erawan? one hit kill jk. That move can only be used if the opponent hesitates like Kenichi did. Bro, your probably have other intrests in this fight, but to me, these reasons are boring cause they are so situational and explained to be situational. 

How would it be a repeat, if Ikki could counter the low kick? The only time he fought someone who used it he couldn't counter it.  All range punch isn't a ki feint, it actually hit Kenichi (look here). Do you mean Takeda is not at Yomi level or do you mean the counter? If you mean the latter, I see no reason why it wouldn't be, most of his other techniques are. I don't see why Yan Erawan can only be used when someone hesitates (look here). Koukin throws out Yan Erawan as Kenichi punches, Kenichi does stop his punch, but I assume that's because he either would not of hit or he would have come out of the trade much worse. 

Edited by ki0, March 18 2015 - 07:39 PM.

[Combatmaster1o3]

How would it be a repeat, if Ikki could counter the low kick? The only time he fought someone who used it he couldn't counter it.  All range punch isn't a ki feint, it actually hit Kenichi (look here). Do you mean Takeda is not at Yomi level or do you mean the counter? If you mean the latter, I see no reason why it wouldn't be, most of his other techniques are. I don't see why Yan Erawan can only be used when someone hesitates (look here). Koukin throws out Yan Erawan as Kenichi punches, Kenichi does stop his punch, but I assume that's because he either would not of hit or he would have come out of the trade much worse. 

At the point we see Takeda at the  very end of the manga, I believe he has reached the level of high-class disciple. In terms of strength, its clear who the victor would be considering that Yomi is also increasing at a fast pace. All of Takeda's phycological glory came with his fight with Lui. The way you mentioned Yan Erawan, it sounded situational and it really is a finishing move. You leave yourself completely unguarded. All range punch is not warp punch(thats what I was thinking of) and is just a style of punch to get all the power of your punch in a wide area, close or far, from many angles. I would be more interested in secret techniques not the previous situation with different people.

If the fight came out I will read it, but I wont demand for it. I'm not discouraging you, its just that I think their are better fights to see such as Kenichi vs Rimi(come on that would be jucy).

[WarBandit]

I actually believe Christopher Eclair vs Kei Retsumin would be a good fight. Both are complete killing machines who specialize in kicks and punches respectively, and held their own against a Rhozanpaku master but got fodderized once they were serious. I think Christopher would edge it out, though, because he at least has some throws to compliment his kicks.

Takeda vs Kokin would also be interesting as well. Western boxing vs muay thai could be fun to see. However I don't think Takes a has the power to put down Kokin, because his endurance is nothing short of ridiculous.

[Combatmaster1o3]

I actually believe Christopher Eclair vs Kei Retsumin would be a good fight. Both are complete killing machines who specialize in kicks and punches respectively, and held their own against a Rhozanpaku master but got fodderized once they were serious. I think Christopher would edge it out, though, because he at least has some throws to compliment his kicks.

Takeda vs Kokin would also be interesting as well. Western boxing vs muay thai could be fun to see. However I don't think Takes a has the power to put down Kokin, because his endurance is nothing short of ridiculous.

Takeda also does not have the endurance either.

[Delirium Trigger]

Remember when Takeda got flicked away by Kokin? Good times... Good times...

Edited by Delirium Trigger, March 20 2015 - 05:47 PM.

[Berrick]

@Combatmaster: You got a point. It would be repetitive if koukin and Takeda also went through the whole left arm skit.

I would like to see Kisara vs Takeda for the same reason I want to see Christopher vs Kei. 

 

On a side note, do you guys remember when Apachi fought Akisame? 

 

[Combatmaster1o3]

Yea he blocked with his palm. Fighters that are so opposite, like Apachai and Akisame, would make some serously cool fights, like the one we saw with Hongo and Sakaki. Probably even more cool since they won't use the same art and have been best friends for years.(you have no idea how many seconds I pressed the wrong button for years plz appreciate that word)

 

That probably is the reason I liked the Hongo vs Jenazad fight actually.

Edited by Combatmaster1o3, March 21 2015 - 05:32 AM.

[WarBandit]

Another good fight I can think of is Gaku from the Black Tiger White Dragon Alliance vs Kisara.

@Combatmaster: You got a point. It would be repetitive if koukin and Takeda also went through the whole left arm skit.
I would like to see Kisara vs Takeda for the same reason I want to see Christopher vs Kei.

On a side note, do you guys remember when Apachi fought Akisame?

That would be a good one. But I believe Takeda would win it. A pretty big change from back in the Ragnarok saga when he couldn't even land one hit on her. But then again it is probably worth noting that his arm had only been healed some weeks. Takeda's training with Shiba has made a massive difference.

Edited by WarBandit, March 29 2015 - 09:36 AM.

[Combatmaster1o3]

Another good fight I can think of is Gaku from the Black Tiger White Dragon Alliance vs Kisara.

That would be a good one. But I believe Takeda would win it. A pretty big change from back in the Ragnarok saga when he couldn't even land one hit on her. But then again it is probably worth noting that his arm had only been healed some weeks. Takeda's training with Shiba has made a massive difference.

Yes, thats just how the story goes. All of the Ragnarok Eight fists have been terribly depreciative in terms of development. Once Yomi took the stage, important characters in the post either get nice little freebees or suddenly don't exist(much less develop). It's like the Gajeel situation in fairy tail, he was portrayed bad(negative Natsu) then suddenly became a good guy. He is not a victim of forgetfulness but development cause plot(in the bad way). It broke continuity. Mr.Mat doesn't like killing off characters but he does forget or undermine once important characters just cause plot.

[WarBandit]

Hermit before his fight with Berserker vs Freya would be interesting. Even though he expressed doubt he could defeat Amy of the top three Ragnarok members, I definitely think his feats say otherwise for her. On top of that bus he fought Kenichi on, he bent down a steel cover with a palm thrust. And in their rematch, he destroyed a large part of a tree, while heavily bleeding. Freya has good defense, but Hermit clearly showed he has the chops(geddit?) to destroy her staff in one good hit.

Yes, thats just how the story goes. All of the Ragnarok Eight fists have been terribly depreciative in terms of development. Once Yomi took the stage, important characters in the post either get nice little freebees or suddenly don't exist(much less develop). It's like the Gajeel situation in fairy tail, he was portrayed bad(negative Natsu) then suddenly became a good guy. He is not a victim of forgetfulness but development cause plot(in the bad way). It broke continuity. Mr.Mat doesn't like killing off characters but he does forget or undermine once important characters just cause plot.

At least Gajeel is one of the better developed ones in terms of character. But Mashima hates good potential obviously, since that's the only logical answer as to writing Mystogan out of the story.

[Combatmaster1o3]

Hermit before his fight with Berserker vs Freya would be interesting. Even though he expressed doubt he could defeat Amy of the top three Ragnarok members, I definitely think his feats say otherwise for her. On top of that bus he fought Kenichi on, he bent down a steel cover with a palm thrust. And in their rematch, he destroyed a large part of a tree, while heavily bleeding. Freya has good defense, but Hermit clearly showed he has the chops(geddit?) to destroy her staff in one good hit.

At least Gajeel is one of the better developed ones in terms of character. But Mashima hates good potential obviously, since that's the only logical answer as to writing Mystogan out of the story.

Yea, thats got to do with his popularity really. If were speaking in terms of strength in universe when Ragnarok wuz a thing, then it would be. The series seriously degraded the the balance of power that didn't actually make sense unless you took it at face value. Kisara being valuable and skillful was a thing, its not like she isn't but she is not portrayed to be as strong as perviously stated. I would love to see a valued and developed Freya fight yomi as equals, not as a forgotten but sentimental character. Shinpaku being rivals to Yomi(like being power rangers to Lord Zedd) would be far more... fitting. I think it would add a much better progression of individual powers that rival Yomi's, since it already headed in that path anyway.