Posted August 07 2014 - 07:08 AM
Something was in his fruit? If someone like Radin still held great respect for him, maybe there aren't as many screws loose as it seems? I doubt he's think planning type anyways.
What do you think the next chapter will be about? Syun continuing on the Master's fight, Hayato making a grand entrance, the disciples' battle, Kenichi and Kajima, or Saiga and Senzui?
Posted August 07 2014 - 10:06 AM
The thing I don't get about Jenazad is, if he wanted to fight the best fighters that badly, why didn't he just track down Ganosuke,Hayato or the other "Few" masters that are on the same level as Ganosuke/Hayato as Sakaki put it. Also there are masters like Senzui,Saiga,Kushinada out there as well and guys like Ogata are also trying to reach that level too!
This is annoyed me about Jenazad because he took out his bloodlust on his disciples/followers as oppose to using his resource to track down the best of the best in the hsdk universe.
This is actually not that surprising. Jenazad DID challenge Mikumo. He kicked the pool that she was meditating in apart and then dashed acrossed the water to face her while she runs up the water too. Any other master would have took the bait and fight him right then and there. Mikumo did not, because she had a plan.
Besides, Jenazad did fight Hayato to a draw before, and really the only reason why two good friends would fight each other in such a bitter fashion that hatred results is when Hayato knew that Jenazad the hero was gone and the only thing left was Jenazad the psycho. And THAT fight ended in a draw.
It is entirely possible that Jenazad believes that he is unbeatable in normal circumstances, and is only beatable if he riles someone up until that person fight him with his life on the line, like Hongo did. In fact, he probably expected Hayato to come, since he knew full well that he kidnapped Hayato's granddaughter and brainwashed her, basically giving Hayato all the necessary reason to bet his life on a fight...
About why he didn't challenge Saiga / Senzui, he probably didn't know Senzui, and only knew Saiga, and even Hongo was surprised that Saiga was that strong (he commented during their fight to the tune that Saiga isn't just a figurehead, but actually kept up to the standards of the Nine Fists), so Jenazad probably thought Saiga is just a very rich and well-connected dude with an organization, as well. This probably applies similarly to Gannosuke. Even the Elder fought Gannosuke for the first time, so the world was probably large enough that they never knew each other or crossed paths.
And finally, we never even saw Jenazad use weapons before... and he was a master in all the Silat weapon arts too. It was entirely possible the he held back even in the fight with Hayato, because with the weapon advantage he might have won, or at least draw but wounding Hayato too instead of just giving him some bruises.
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About the question, I probably will not take my chance with Michael (and of course not with Jenazad if I knew his reputation, he certainly looks semi normal, even benevolent, without the mask...). But seeing either of them in actions will galvanize my belief that it is possible to beat the limits of human physiology, and that will just set me on a path of research until I figure out those secrets... basically I will become Akisame (in 20 years) after seeing a grand/legendary master in action.
Posted August 07 2014 - 12:22 PM
The thing I don't get about Jenazad is, if he wanted to fight the best fighters that badly, why didn't he just track down Ganosuke,Hayato or the other "Few" masters that are on the same level as Ganosuke/Hayato as Sakaki put it. Also there are masters like Senzui,Saiga,Kushinada out there as well and guys like Ogata are also trying to reach that level too!
This is annoyed me about Jenazad because he took out his bloodlust on his disciples/followers as oppose to using his resource to track down the best of the best in the hsdk universe.
This is actually not that surprising. Jenazad DID challenge Mikumo. He kicked the pool that she was meditating in apart and then dashed acrossed the water to face her while she runs up the water too. Any other master would have took the bait and fight him right then and there. Mikumo did not, because she had a plan.
Besides, Jenazad did fight Hayato to a draw before, and really the only reason why two good friends would fight each other in such a bitter fashion that hatred results is when Hayato knew that Jenazad the hero was gone and the only thing left was Jenazad the psycho. And THAT fight ended in a draw.
It is entirely possible that Jenazad believes that he is unbeatable in normal circumstances, and is only beatable if he riles someone up until that person fight him with his life on the line, like Hongo did. In fact, he probably expected Hayato to come, since he knew full well that he kidnapped Hayato's granddaughter and brainwashed her, basically giving Hayato all the necessary reason to bet his life on a fight...
About why he didn't challenge Saiga / Senzui, he probably didn't know Senzui, and only knew Saiga, and even Hongo was surprised that Saiga was that strong (he commented during their fight to the tune that Saiga isn't just a figurehead, but actually kept up to the standards of the Nine Fists), so Jenazad probably thought Saiga is just a very rich and well-connected dude with an organization, as well. This probably applies similarly to Gannosuke. Even the Elder fought Gannosuke for the first time, so the world was probably large enough that they never knew each other or crossed paths.
And finally, we never even saw Jenazad use weapons before... and he was a master in all the Silat weapon arts too. It was entirely possible the he held back even in the fight with Hayato, because with the weapon advantage he might have won, or at least draw but wounding Hayato too instead of just giving him some bruises.
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About the question, I probably will not take my chance with Michael (and of course not with Jenazad if I knew his reputation, he certainly looks semi normal, even benevolent, without the mask...). But seeing either of them in actions will galvanize my belief that it is possible to beat the limits of human physiology, and that will just set me on a path of research until I figure out those secrets... basically I will become Akisame (in 20 years) after seeing a grand/legendary master in action.
But thats the thing though about Ganosuke, when Sakaki was talking to Kenichi about the Hachiou masters, he said that their leader is someone who is on par with the Elder himself and that anyone that has been involved deeply in the martial arts world has heard of him before.
Now granted, it makes sense for Jenazad to not know who Senzui is since Senzui operates in a very cowardly way and is very covert in his approach, but I reckon that Jenazad would have known Ganosuke based on the fact that Ganosuke built his reputation much like Hayato has, enough to be compared to one another for many years as Ganosuke put it when he was fighting the Elder.
In regards to IRL Michael, woulden't you get frustrated at the fact that,you know its possible to exceed the human limits but not knowing how to get there without proper guidence might deter you or worry that by the time you do figure it out, that you maybe in an older stage of your life?
Posted August 07 2014 - 02:18 PM
Posted August 07 2014 - 07:25 PM
I don't think age is a big deal in the kenichi universe, look at Ogata he was trained by Akisame yet they are the same age meaning he started martial arts in his 20s
About the earlier comment I just meant I'd take a calculated risk with Jenazad
Oh I see where your coming from with Jenazad, I also agree with you in regards to age and this is somewhat true IRL. I mean look at Randy Couture, he started mma/ufc when he was 33 years old or Bernard Hopkins started boxing at 24 years old as was the case for Rocky Marciano.
My boxing coach says that, its not about age but wear and tear and how injury free you are that counts too! That being said, in the hsdk universe, it seems like injury is not something the masters have to worry about seeing how Eclair returned to action despite taking a beating from Sakaki, or how Michael seemingly has fought Apachai and now seems injure free as is the case for Shigure who got beat by Hachiou masters but seems fine. Exception here is James Shiba and Kajima.
Posted August 07 2014 - 11:46 PM
Oh I see where your coming from with Jenazad, I also agree with you in regards to age and this is somewhat true IRL. I mean look at Randy Couture, he started mma/ufc when he was 33 years old or Bernard Hopkins started boxing at 24 years old as was the case for Rocky Marciano.
My boxing coach says that, its not about age but wear and tear and how injury free you are that counts too! That being said, in the hsdk universe, it seems like injury is not something the masters have to worry about seeing how Eclair returned to action despite taking a beating from Sakaki, or how Michael seemingly has fought Apachai and now seems injure free as is the case for Shigure who got beat by Hachiou masters but seems fine. Exception here is James Shiba and Kajima.
Actually, unless you have broken bones and tendons that are not quickly set in a proper manner, or nerve damage (even this can recover, so really only the bones and tendon stuff that are hard to heal), then almost any wear and tear can self-heal. The healthier you are, the faster this self healing will be. Another factor is immune system, if your immune system and personal hygiene is very good, and you keep yourself infection free, your self-healing is even faster. So the healing feats that the masters in HSDK display are all plausible. Even Apachai's hole-healing is somewhat plausible, if you count the fact that the punch from Agaard might have just pushed Apachai's organs aside instead of rupturing them (well, a lot of rupturing still did occured, but not utter, complete destruction).
Jenazad couldn't have recovered from Hongo's torsion nukite was probably because Hongo hit him exactly center, so he must have damaged all the organs, or the spine, or both.
Posted August 08 2014 - 03:28 AM
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Actually, unless you have broken bones and tendons that are not quickly set in a proper manner, or nerve damage (even this can recover, so really only the bones and tendon stuff that are hard to heal), then almost any wear and tear can self-heal. The healthier you are, the faster this self healing will be. Another factor is immune system, if your immune system and personal hygiene is very good, and you keep yourself infection free, your self-healing is even faster. So the healing feats that the masters in HSDK display are all plausible. Even Apachai's hole-healing is somewhat plausible, if you count the fact that the punch from Agaard might have just pushed Apachai's organs aside instead of rupturing them (well, a lot of rupturing still did occured, but not utter, complete destruction).
Jenazad couldn't have recovered from Hongo's torsion nukite was probably because Hongo hit him exactly center, so he must have damaged all the organs, or the spine, or both.
Which is strange because Jenazad claimed to be able to kill Hongo even after he received such a wound, and hole was located in the center of his torso! In a different shot, it seems like it's a little off to the side, though.
Posted August 08 2014 - 04:22 AM
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Which is strange because Jenazad claimed to be able to kill Hongo even after he received such a wound, and hole was located in the center of his torso! In a different shot, it seems like it's a little off to the side, though.
He could not have moved, because the hit probably had damaged his spine enough that if he moves he would collapse instantly, but if Hongo came close, his arm could simply lash out fast enough to take Hongo's head off before he can react.
Jenazad can strike fast enough that both Sasaki and Hongo weren't able to see the movement at all, and that was only when he's semi-serious. (The "Karate does not own the patent on thrusts" scene).
Posted August 08 2014 - 04:23 AM
Your only saying that cause he killed you
Posted August 08 2014 - 05:10 AM
He could not have moved, because the hit probably had damaged his spine enough that if he moves he would collapse instantly, but if Hongo came close, his arm could simply lash out fast enough to take Hongo's head off before he can react.
Jenazad can strike fast enough that both Sasaki and Hongo weren't able to see the movement at all, and that was only when he's semi-serious. (The "Karate does not own the patent on thrusts" scene).
That makes sense, but what about the part where he thought he had another opportunity to kill him when Miu came into scene?
Posted August 08 2014 - 08:21 AM
That makes sense, but what about the part where he thought he had another opportunity to kill him when Miu came into scene?
Thats true, he also changed stance. Maybe Hongo aimed for his organs and not his spine, maybe do to bone density? It could be that Hongo had damaged his spine but his thrust rolled off. So while a normal persons movement would be extremely limited, Jenazad's legs were powerfull enough to take him to the severely damaged Hongo who may or may not have died.
Posted August 08 2014 - 10:31 AM
Or just Mangaka's error.
Where's that damned chapter!!!?
Posted August 08 2014 - 12:07 PM
I don't think there will be a chapter this week because of the double issue thing.
Posted August 08 2014 - 01:52 PM
What double issue thing!?? Whats going on!!!??? Goddamn! I get a hsdk withdrawl EVERYTIME that there are weeks with no new chapter!!!
Posted August 08 2014 - 02:18 PM
From what I understand, a double issue is where they have the same issue of a magazine on sale for two weeks instead of one.
Posted August 09 2014 - 05:22 AM
The fact that Jenazad was still standing at all meant that his spine had not been shattered, only damaged. But he certainly had lost most lower body mobility. He may be able to make one last stumbling step forward with the amount of nervous control left, and for a legendary master, one stumbling step using just one toe would probably propel his body 5m forward, covering the distance between him and Hongo. He only needed Hongo to be distracted for a split second by Miu to close the distance. A hit in that position wouldn't impair his upper body that much, and he would still be able to launch one or two more strikes that are beyond the vision (let alone the dodge speed) of a grandmaster.
Thats true, he also changed stance. Maybe Hongo aimed for his organs and not his spine, maybe do to bone density? It could be that Hongo had damaged his spine but his thrust rolled off. So while a normal persons movement would be extremely limited, Jenazad's legs were powerfull enough to take him to the severely damaged Hongo who may or may not have died.
Posted August 09 2014 - 10:58 PM
I understand that rigor mortis kicks in faster if the body has been exercising, which leads to people standing when they've died. I'm not sure if its still possible if the spine has received critical damage, but it might be possible if the musculature is intact?
Well, absurd that it may be, it was still boss.
Posted August 10 2014 - 02:49 PM
I understand that rigor mortis kicks in faster if the body has been exercising, which leads to people standing when they've died. I'm not sure if its still possible if the spine has received critical damage, but it might be possible if the musculature is intact?
Well, absurd that it may be, it was still boss.
The thing is it doesn't matter if his musculature wasn't 100% or even 1%, they are powerfull enough to keep him still. Also its not like he took a cannon to the chest, its more like 4-5 inch gap(Still huge). Actually that sounds like a cannon to the chest...
Arrrggg!
