Posted August 05 2013 - 01:43 PM
I don't know why, but I just curious since I've been reading them a lot lately. Who would you all like to see from this crossover into one of the American comics, and to what series?
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Kenichi meet up with Captain America or Batman. 
Posted August 09 2013 - 02:59 PM
Hermit and Batman. Hell, Hermit might fit into the Arkhamverse perfectly! So could Hongo Akira.
Posted August 15 2013 - 06:08 PM
Cause Batman would most likely beat him up for being part of Yomi.
Posted August 16 2013 - 07:31 AM
Batman isn't really on his level in HtH, but his gadgets might aid him.
Posted August 17 2013 - 03:31 PM
No, Batman is definitely MUCH higher-tier than Yomi level in HtH. Overall attributes the Bat isn't master class, but low-expert (think Kenichi's strength and durability + Miu's speed and dexterity).
An example can be seen in the OVA The Batman versus Dracula.
Batman won one-on-one, no-prep-time fight versus Joker Vampire, who is definitely mid-tier master class in HSDK-verse, but only due to his smart use of the scenery and gadgets. But that fight shows that Batman can take at least one blow from not just low grade masters, but a mid-tier master (able to throw the Bat 1-handed 30 feet into the air and into a huge metal shelf, folding the shelf almost double) in HSDK, and had the reflex (or perhaps experience) to dodge master class blows too, after watching Joker's speed just once. Batman vs. Vampire Joker fight:
Edit: Batman actually can take at least one blow from an elite master class too, this being Dracula himself (who is shown to perform feats equivalent to any of Ryo or OSNF), although he become incapacitated (but not dead) after a few blows. Batman versus Dracula himself, who is, for all practical purpose, an elite master in hsdk. This particular fight shows just how formidable the Bat is in a straight up, no prep fight, as for a moment he kept up with the speed of an elite master just with experience and finesse alone. And the Bat's damage soak is even higher than Kenichi's...
Edit 2: Everyone really should watch this OVA of the Bat. It is a great example the Batman franchise in so many ways, and a really unbiased reflection of Batman in terms of combat ability. Batman is "peak human", and is only marginally beyond Yomi grade, but in the end sequence, after being exposed to and accustomed to "vampire speed" (even the lowest vampire is above a Yomi, but just without all the martial arts techniques), Batman starts to fodderize low-grade vampires just by being far far more experienced and adaptive. The Bat's ability to adapt to situations to overcome long odds is truly second to none, and that has always been his character's appeal.
but yes, it would be great to see the Bat realizing that there are those who had found ways to surpass peak human, and become the second true disciple of Ryozanpaku. I can see all of Ryozanpaku warming to the Bat instantly, and vice versa, due to the mutual firm belief in Katsujinken, and the common stoic, mature attitude. Akisame will be to Bruce Wayne as Sasaki is to Kenichi, due to very similar personality.
Edited by citizen_lion, August 17 2013 - 07:27 PM.
Posted August 17 2013 - 10:09 PM
Batman isn't really on his level in HtH, but his gadgets might aid him.
Batman is a genius level strategist and tactician who has mastered all martial arts in the world. And then he has training as a ninja to go along with all those gadgets that he carries around.
Posted August 19 2013 - 10:26 PM
when there's trouble you know who call
SHINPAKU
and whatever lyrics come after
Posted August 20 2013 - 01:11 PM
No, Batman is definitely MUCH higher-tier than Yomi level in HtH. Overall attributes the Bat isn't master class, but low-expert (think Kenichi's strength and durability + Miu's speed and dexterity).
An example can be seen in the OVA The Batman versus Dracula.
Batman won one-on-one, no-prep-time fight versus Joker Vampire, who is definitely mid-tier master class in HSDK-verse, but only due to his smart use of the scenery and gadgets. But that fight shows that Batman can take at least one blow from not just low grade masters, but a mid-tier master (able to throw the Bat 1-handed 30 feet into the air and into a huge metal shelf, folding the shelf almost double) in HSDK, and had the reflex (or perhaps experience) to dodge master class blows too, after watching Joker's speed just once. Batman vs. Vampire Joker fight:
Edit: Batman actually can take at least one blow from an elite master class too, this being Dracula himself (who is shown to perform feats equivalent to any of Ryo or OSNF), although he become incapacitated (but not dead) after a few blows. Batman versus Dracula himself, who is, for all practical purpose, an elite master in hsdk. This particular fight shows just how formidable the Bat is in a straight up, no prep fight, as for a moment he kept up with the speed of an elite master just with experience and finesse alone. And the Bat's damage soak is even higher than Kenichi's...
Edit 2: Everyone really should watch this OVA of the Bat. It is a great example the Batman franchise in so many ways, and a really unbiased reflection of Batman in terms of combat ability. Batman is "peak human", and is only marginally beyond Yomi grade, but in the end sequence, after being exposed to and accustomed to "vampire speed" (even the lowest vampire is above a Yomi, but just without all the martial arts techniques), Batman starts to fodderize low-grade vampires just by being far far more experienced and adaptive. The Bat's ability to adapt to situations to overcome long odds is truly second to none, and that has always been his character's appeal.
but yes, it would be great to see the Bat realizing that there are those who had found ways to surpass peak human, and become the second true disciple of Ryozanpaku. I can see all of Ryozanpaku warming to the Bat instantly, and vice versa, due to the mutual firm belief in Katsujinken, and the common stoic, mature attitude. Akisame will be to Bruce Wayne as Sasaki is to Kenichi, due to very similar personality.
Well, damn. I forgot about that...
Posted August 20 2013 - 01:22 PM
Wait, did Dracula an entire building in a single hit?
Posted August 20 2013 - 03:37 PM
Wait, did Dracula an entire building in a single hit?
I didn't remember any scene like that, but there was one scene where the joker threw Batman 1-handed about 30 feet (10m) up and into a huge metal shelf going to the ceiling, and the impact collapsed the shelf, bending the metal almost double. Batman got up from this without any real lost in agility.
The hits from Dracula are "elite-master-class" in HSDK, but not quite "Junazard to Elder" class. The only two beings so far in HSDK that has been shown with "wreck a whole building in one hit" brute strength were Junazard and the Elder himself.
Oh, by the way, speaking of Batman's strength. There are multiple other scenes in various different series showing the Bat able to hold a grown, muscular man up horizontally with one arm. This feat far exceeds the strength of Sho Kanou, which is to hold Kenichi or Takeda straight up with one arm.
It was also a plot point in one of the comics that Batman can do an unassisted straight up jump of 10feet (about 2.5 times the world record). This is about the same as what Tirawit Koukin demonstrated, but taking into account the fact that Batman is much heavier built, and wears a cape along with a variety of gadget, that puts his leg strength a bit higher than Koukin, who is shown to be top-tier in Yomi in terms of pure strength.
Edited by citizen_lion, August 20 2013 - 04:02 PM.
Posted August 20 2013 - 04:14 PM
I don't know why, but I just curious since I've been reading them a lot lately. Who would you all like to see from this crossover into one of the American comics, and to what series?
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Kenichi meet up with Captain America or Batman.
Captain America would be a wonderful crossover too. I can see heated philosophical debate between the Captain and Akisame and Ma. They surely would still be on the same side, but Captain would disagree with the Ryozanpaku's way and vice versa.
Whereas Batman would probably become the second true disciple of Ryozanpaku, and Kenichi may eventually take up superheroism as his "expert class wandering" phase.
Posted August 21 2013 - 02:23 PM
I didn't remember any scene like that, but there was one scene where the joker threw Batman 1-handed about 30 feet (10m) up and into a huge metal shelf going to the ceiling, and the impact collapsed the shelf, bending the metal almost double. Batman got up from this without any real lost in agility.
The hits from Dracula are "elite-master-class" in HSDK, but not quite "Junazard to Elder" class. The only two beings so far in HSDK that has been shown with "wreck a whole building in one hit" brute strength were Junazard and the Elder himself.
Oh, by the way, speaking of Batman's strength. There are multiple other scenes in various different series showing the Bat able to hold a grown, muscular man up horizontally with one arm. This feat far exceeds the strength of Sho Kanou, which is to hold Kenichi or Takeda straight up with one arm.
It was also a plot point in one of the comics that Batman can do an unassisted straight up jump of 10feet (about 2.5 times the world record). This is about the same as what Tirawit Koukin demonstrated, but taking into account the fact that Batman is much heavier built, and wears a cape along with a variety of gadget, that puts his leg strength a bit higher than Koukin, who is shown to be top-tier in Yomi in terms of pure strength.
http://www.mangaread...-kenichi/468/12 Hongo did a similar feat, in his battle against Junazard. As well as having 7-8 grown men on top of him. Then again, what feats does Hermit have?
Posted August 21 2013 - 03:04 PM
Captain America would be a wonderful crossover too. I can see heated philosophical debate between the Captain and Akisame and Ma. They surely would still be on the same side, but Captain would disagree with the Ryozanpaku's way and vice versa.
Whereas Batman would probably become the second true disciple of Ryozanpaku, and Kenichi may eventually take up superheroism as his "expert class wandering" phase.
For the Captain America crossover, I can see some history between him and Elder during WWII.
Posted August 21 2013 - 04:20 PM
I just thought of another one I'd like to see. Kisara meeting up with the Black Panther.
Posted August 21 2013 - 06:36 PM
I just thought of another one I'd like to see. Kisara meeting up with the Black Panther.
I think Tigra or Black Cat would be a better one.
Posted August 21 2013 - 07:27 PM
I think Tigra or Black Cat would be a better one.
I don't know, if I was choosing between someone other than Black Panther, I'd probably go with White Tiger instead since she's around Kisara's age.
