HSDK Battle 570 Released

kenichi and miu getting serious now

that panel was awesome!

never expected hongo to save nijima, it's getting good now, so good!

Hongo don't die!!!!

I wonder if they will actually fight, or if Hongo has some sort of excuse for saving Nijima.

Hongou is in for another big fight? YEAH!...   Against Saiga? By himself?! NOOOO!!!

Don't go killing off one of my favorite characters!

I wonder if they will actually fight, or if Hongo has some sort of excuse for saving Nijima.

 He might actually be Nijima's father. XD

 Just look at the pointy ears.

This chapter ends all the "Saiga is actually a spy" theories.

I am happy that Kajima called Kenichi out on the fact that Kenichi is using martial arts as a tool as oppose to a guy like Ogata who loves martial arts from the bottom of his heart. I guess Kajima feels the same since martial arts saved his life, he wants to dedicate his life to contribute to the evolution of the martial arts.

I agree with you Cam, Hongo may very well be Nijimmas father or uncle or something  

 

All in all shit is going down!!!! Obviously we will see some miracles from Hongo but it will be futile because Saiga is going to destroy him, in my opinion I predict out of all the masters that the grandmaster would of lost to his son Saiga and has been shown time again that he can hold his own against more then 4 masters with just his fingers. That with the fact that we dont really know what Saiga true power is so going to be intense!

Hongo definitely will die. I call it now. It will be storytelling disaster if he survive THIS fight too. Seriously, Saiga of all people should not fall for the "too arrogant" trap of Jenazad. Also notice that his other arm was already moving at the final panel of the chapter. I bet he already hit Hongo once (exactly the same start as the Jenazad fight, where Hongo was hit once without even seeing the attack and had blood on his mouth despite attacking Jenazad first).

BUT Nijima will succeed with the virus. If he fails then this story will go REALLY DARK really fast (a nuke will fall somewhere 0.0, world war 3 for sure)

@Cam, the only chance for Hongo here is if our favorite witch joins the fight too.

Hongo definitely will die. I call it now. It will be storytelling disaster if he survive THIS fight too. Seriously, Saiga of all people should not fall for the "too arrogant" trap of Jenazad. Also notice that his other arm was already moving at the final panel of the chapter. I bet he already hit Hongo once (exactly the same start as the Jenazad fight, where Hongo was hit once without even seeing the attack and had blood on his mouth despite attacking Jenazad first).

 

BUT Nijima will succeed with the virus. If he fails then this story will go REALLY DARK really fast (a nuke will fall somewhere 0.0, world war 3 for sure)

 

@Cam, the only chance for Hongo here is if our favorite witch joins the fight too.

Hongo has a very good chance of surviving due to the fact that Shiba was seen roaming around the base in one of the mini-panels when the elder sent his message to all katsujinken masters +unarmed yomi and Hongo. So its not impossible to have Hongo live this event since Shiba is on the base. Alex and Diego switched sides and may end up running in to the couple of weapon masters that Rin Tachibana was controling which two of them already got beat by Sakaki/Akisame while ago.

I reckon that Shigure will probably run in to Michael Schtilvay who is most likely alive and Michael was the whole reason she got captured and everyone ended up here. Although I reckon that Shigure will run in to Senzui since he was the one ordered Kajima to help Shigure escape the base which possibly means that Shigure is a Kuremisago.

This only leaves Okamoto who we are not sure what side is he on... Oh and Kushinada is dead women walking now that Guru Rahman has switched sides since she was relying on his skills alot.

Also who is the favorite "witch" you guys talking about? You mean Shigure? 

 
 

Hongo has a very good chance of surviving due to the fact that Shiba was seen roaming around the base in one of the mini-panels when the elder sent his message to all katsujinken masters +unarmed yomi and Hongo. So its not impossible to have Hongo live this event since Shiba is on the base. Alex and Diego switched sides and may end up running in to the couple of weapon masters that Rin Tachibana was controling which two of them already got beat by Sakaki/Akisame while ago.

I reckon that Shigure will probably run in to Michael Schtilvay who is most likely alive and Michael was the whole reason she got captured and everyone ended up here. Although I reckon that Shigure will run in to Senzui since he was the one ordered Kajima to help Shigure escape the base which possibly means that Shigure is a Kuremisago.

This only leaves Okamoto who we are not sure what side is he on... Oh and Kushinada is dead women walking now that Guru Rahman has switched sides since she was relying on his skills alot.

Also who is the favorite "witch" you guys talking about? You mean Shigure? 

Yes, the "witch" is Shigure, of course. 

Ohhh, and also, it's confirmed now that the water run feat is something all the grandmasters can do. Alexander and Diego just did it, after all...

You have a point about Hongo, since Shiba might show up. But Hongo will definitely be critically injured at least for the story to make any sense, I think. But Shiba might return the "lose focus for a split second, lost an eye and a leg" favor to Saiga.

And if Saiga is also severely injured in this fight, then the only way for the story to continue is to reveal the Kuremisago as the final villain, which would make sense.

Walking on ceilings has always been a ninja thing à la Shigure, could be Saiga is Senzui in disguise considering Senzui has been shown to be pro eternal sunset.

Yes, the "witch" is Shigure, of course. 

 

Ohhh, and also, it's confirmed now that the water run feat is something all the grandmasters can do. Alexander and Diego just did it, after all...

 

You have a point about Hongo, since Shiba might show up. But Hongo will definitely be critically injured at least for the story to make any sense, I think. But Shiba might return the "lose focus for a split second, lost an eye and a leg" favor to Saiga.

 

And if Saiga is also severely injured in this fight, then the only way for the story to continue is to reveal the Kuremisago as the final villain, which would make sense.

I don't think he is going to get injured, the author LOVES to tease the fans with possible match ups, for example we thought we were gonna get the following fights:

Christopher Éclair vs Michael Schtilvay: Reality is, Éclair was the guy that kicked him but then Michael ended up fighting Mycroft
Seitaro vs Éclair: again this fight didn't get concluded either because of Shigures request
Sakai vs Guru Rahman: Again no conclusion and these guys were suppose to go at it couple of times
Shigure vs Kushinada: They were suppose to have a proper show down but then again...nothing!!
Sakaki vs Jenazad: Ok man, I was looking forward to this and forward to seeing Sakakis "Kill" technique but...again we got teased
Saiga/Hayato vs Jenazad: Hayao never finished his fight and Saiga never got to fight him since he was waiting for Sakaki/Hongo to make something happen and Hongo did.
Ogata vs Shiba: this was hsdks mma vs Boxing and it didn't happen

These are few examples as to why I think that Hongo vs Saiga is not gonna be much of a fight, its because hsdk fights have a tendency to end in interruptions a lot of times and many fights never get concluded and in this case, there are too many factors going on like, Schtilvay/Shiba/Shigure all roaming around as well as Senzui master may end up making an appearance and we cant forget alex/diego and Okamoto doing their thing either all in the same island and ofcourse Hayato is on the way too...

 

Walking on ceilings has always been a ninja thing à la Shigure, could be Saiga is Senzui in disguise considering Senzui has been shown to be pro eternal sunset.

Saiga seems like a bit of creeper based on the fact that he was giving one of his sub-ordinates a backrub saying they are too tense and not to mention his hand suddenly got bigger ever since Shigure was captured and stripped of clothes.

Walking on ceilings has always been a ninja thing à la Shigure, could be Saiga is Senzui in disguise considering Senzui has been shown to be pro eternal sunset.

Keen observation! 0.0 I didn't even think of this possibility at all. Something is off about this "Saiga". Killing a kid is not at all Saiga's style, since he spared master class fighters who did not have any problem chopping up his own daughter had he not appeared.

Also, why would Saiga suddenly be here when he was in the control room before? What good would it make for the war leader to leave the control room vulnerable and prowl around the base? Seitarou is no longer in the control room, so the thing is literally wide open now, unless the real Saiga was still there.

Also, how would Nijima even register as a threat that Saiga would follow his Ki instead of a variety of master class threats around the base, Shigure and Hongo (if he was close by to the room Ken was in, he would instantly noticed that Hongo just beat Michael and for all intent and purpose had "turned"), and obviously Shiba.

I throw my lot in with this theory XD We probably would have Hongo saying something like "you are not the ichiei" next chapter

Anyone else notice that it seems as though Deigo and Alexander ran on water?

Dammit Hongo better not die. There are already a lack of Karate masters here, or even users in general.

Anyone else notice that it seems as though Deigo and Alexander ran on water?

 

 

Dammit Hongo better not die. There are already a lack of Karate masters here, or even users in general.

They did run on water. The distance was far too great from the ship for them to be wading half body submerged, and if they were swimming, the wake will look a lot wider and more ragged since the swimming motion have strokes of applied force, not a continuous smooth line like that (which is created by the feet touching water extremely quickly in succession). Finally, in the very next panel, before they even stopped moving entirely, their body were completely dry.

I just wanted to be sure. So it seems like high tier masters can run on water for varying distances. It seems that we wouldn't know about this because they never had a reason to do so, or Syun is pulling a Toriyama.

I always wanted to see Siegfried (maybe at master level) Spin dash on the surface of the water. I assume he could pull it off with the right torque.

And maybe this is an unnecessary question, and the answer may be simple, and maybe I already asked this, but who exactly is the leader of Yami as a whole? I assumed that Saiga is just a chess piece in Yami. Who were the previous leaders (if any) and what are they like? 

I just wanted to be sure. So it seems like high tier masters can run on water for varying distances. It seems that we wouldn't know about this because they never had a reason to do so, or Syun is pulling a Toriyama.

 

I always wanted to see Siegfried (maybe at master level) Spin dash on the surface of the water. I assume he could pull it off with the right torque.

No, I thought Syun was pulling a Toriyama too, until I did a serious analysis of all the feats in the manga (in the long posts in the last few threads). There is actually a very high degree of consistency in the power scale in HSDK, a lot more than I see in other Shonen manga.

Basically HSDK is a superhero fantasy, but is highly consistent within its own fantasy universe, good story-telling!

About Saiga, I think he's pretty high up. Yami appears to have an armed and an unarmed division, and the top of the unarmed division is the OSNF, and Saiga is the first in command of the unarmed division.

Also, the eternal sunset plan was actively coordinated by Saiga himself. That said, if Saiga was to die, I'm sure there are probably a few ready successors. There are probably someone in the shadow who actually oversees both divisions, but we aren't shown them yet...

No, I thought Syun was pulling a Toriyama too, until I did a serious analysis of all the feats in the manga (in the long posts in the last few threads). There is actually a very high degree of consistency in the power scale in HSDK, a lot more than I see in other Shonen manga.

 

Basically HSDK is a superhero fantasy, but is highly consistent within its own fantasy universe, good story-telling!

 

About Saiga, I think he's pretty high up. Yami appears to have an armed and an unarmed division, and the top of the unarmed division is the OSNF, and Saiga is the first in command of the unarmed division.

 

Also, the eternal sunset plan was actively coordinated by Saiga himself. That said, if Saiga was to die, I'm sure there are probably a few ready successors. There are probably someone in the shadow who actually oversees both divisions, but we aren't shown them yet...

This quote reminded me of two scenes that happened with Hongo in the past.

1. Remember the first scene when Hajime,Hongo and Sakaki arrived at the yami base to see who is worthy and behind the doors there were a group of yami members in shadow and Hajime asked "I don't have much to live, can I still be accepted?" and a voice said " ofcourse, yami doesn't care if you live a long healthy life.

2. Then I remember a scene that Hongo was meeting with a yami master who wanted Sho Kano to die because he was soft and in that scene a young Sho came with a wounded bird and Hongo said to kill it and Sho pretended like he did.

Now in the second scene, many assumed that it was Saiga and even Senzui but...both Saiga and Senzui have a disciple that was untalented and had a weak body in Kajima. So its possible that the yami master who ordered Sho to be exacuted was neither senzui or Saiga since they both share a talentless disciple.

Lastly, in the flashback of the first scene with Hongo and Hajime, it was implied that Sakakis master was a satsujinken hence the "kill" move being up his sleeve while Hongo vs Jenazad was happening and if I recall correctly, Jenazads master was a former member of Yami until Jenazad killed him and took his place by default???? ( I maybe wrong though...)

But yeah, for sure if Saiga does die, I too believe that there are successors ready to take his place. Its also possible that there are unknown masters who are at Ganosuke/Hayatos level but they don't care about either Katsujinken/Satsujinken idealogy or even being involved in the martial arts world like that bear master that trained that tsuuji in the mountains who was just living his own life for himself.

 

Well, I did not see Hongo vs Saiga at all!  But this fight won't last long.  This is just a good tease for the readers.  The real fight will be between Shiba and Saiga.

After all, we can't just have Hongo going around, and killing ALL the villains, as funny as that might be.  

You know what's real cool about this chapter.  Kajima is figuring out Kenichi's complicated moves, to beat him.  Usually the hero tries to undo the villains technique, whereas here, the villain is trying to figure out why he hasn't killed out hero yet.  

Also, there was an A-punch again, which is kind of scary that Kenichi can tap into those super-attacks when he's warmed up.  

It also looks like one of the Kuremisago girls took the hit to her face so that she could catch Miu's fierce spinning attack.

I would definitely give them Kuremisago girls a  good hit in their face too if you know what I mean

Im curios to know what Ogatas roll is in this whole thing and how the heck did Kajima end up with Saiga since it seems like Kajima met Senzui bean master first!!????


Btw, do you guys think we will have Yoga masters too??? I mean we had bodybuilders fight in the D and D tournament and bodybuilding is no fighting style either!

I think Yoga is already represented by Kalaripayattu, but I guess we could have someone who represents the modern, commercialized form of Yoga, wearing clothes from Lululemon, and gets beaten within 2 seconds after making a stylish entry

To be more serious, I guess we will never see this, but what I want to see in Kalaripayattu the most is the urumi. http://www.oktatabye...laripayatu2.jpg Basically it's the method to enable IRL humans to pull off "faster than sound slashes" (the tip of a whip is faster than sound when cracked properly, I would imagine the same applies for a whip sword but would need someone extremely strong and well-trained)

Ogata is a free agent, I think. It's almost certain to me that Ogata is set up to be either the final boss, or the anti-villain who is accidentally a hero. He probably would pull a Hongo and fight against one of the biggest bads later on. I can't see Ogata fighting Ryo, because he knows that no one in Ryo would ever fight him with murderous intent, so he will never see their truly wild side, at best he would see ultimate techniques, but executed in a very textbook, clinical manner.

@Ranemoraken yea, seeing Kajima casually break the trance of Ryushui Seikuken, the very first time seeing it, by joking with Kenichi is actually more scary than any other things he had done so far. That is the most obvious and eloquent statement about his "strength of heart". He analyzes almost as well as Kokin, but he does not need to be serious, he controls the mood of the setting, and in a sense, control his opponent's mood.

I think Yoga is already represented by Kalaripayattu, but I guess we could have someone who represents the modern, commercialized form of Yoga, wearing clothes from Lululemon, and gets beaten within 2 seconds after making a stylish entry

 

To be more serious, I guess we will never see this, but what I want to see in Kalaripayattu the most is the urumi. http://www.oktatabye...laripayatu2.jpg Basically it's the method to enable IRL humans to pull off "faster than sound slashes" (the tip of a whip is faster than sound when cracked properly, I would imagine the same applies for a whip sword but would need someone extremely strong and well-trained)

 

Ogata is a free agent, I think. It's almost certain to me that Ogata is set up to be either the final boss, or the anti-villain who is accidentally a hero. He probably would pull a Hongo and fight against one of the biggest bads later on. I can't see Ogata fighting Ryo, because he knows that no one in Ryo would ever fight him with murderous intent, so he will never see their truly wild side, at best he would see ultimate techniques, but executed in a very textbook, clinical manner.

 

@Ranemoraken yea, seeing Kajima casually break the trance of Ryushui Seikuken, the very first time seeing it, by joking with Kenichi is actually more scary than any other things he had done so far. That is the most obvious and eloquent statement about his "strength of heart". He analyzes almost as well as Kokin, but he does not need to be serious, he controls the mood of the setting, and in a sense, control his opponent's mood.

I 100 AGREE about Ogata,Kalaripayattu and a modern yoga master!

As far as yoga master goes, he could be some creepy pervert like Kensei Ma or Yogi Victor from King of the Hill who both are known to hit on female students! But yeah this character would be a comedic relief.

As far as Kalari goes, that was an awesome pic! For sure Guru Rahman deserves more love due to the fact that his style is not all that different from silat, both have many sub styles, both have different weapons, both are made for the jungle, both are ancient  and both are rare ancient martial arts that not common IRL or in HSDK.

Besides, Kalaripayattu and Yoga IRL consist of Mantras and some people feel that performing mantras brings them special states of mind and gives them the ability to feel sound or have some high level of sensorys. For sure the author of HSDK can milk that aspect up.

Now as far as Ogata goes, I could not add to what you wrote, I feel the same, infact, I believe that Ogata wants people to become satsujinken so he can enjoy himself a guilt free fights to the death. Him fighting katsujinken probably annoys the living daylights out of him because of the fact they do not kill and are forced to hold back and for Ogata this takes away the "RAW" aspect of martial arts and ends up taining his victories.

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Besides, Kalaripayattu and Yoga IRL consist of Mantras and some people feel that performing mantras brings them special states of mind and gives them the ability to feel sound or have some high level of sensorys. For sure the author of HSDK can milk that aspect up.

Now as far as Ogata goes, I could not add to what you wrote, I feel the same, infact, I believe that Ogata wants people to become satsujinken so he can enjoy himself a guilt free fights to the death. Him fighting katsujinken probably annoys the living daylights out of him because of the fact they do not kill and are forced to hold back and for Ogata this takes away the "RAW" aspect of martial arts and ends up taining his victories.

My thoughts exactly too. Ogata wants a society of warrior types, and even more precisely, satsujinkens. 

About Kalaripayattu, yes, various forms of meditation do grant you keener than usual senses. It's probably a way to temporarily focus your brain into certain types of signals from your sensory organs, allowing faster processing of more raw data from one sensor. I have intense migraine in real life, and often use various forms of meditation to force my mind to ignore the pain so that I can work (ah, real life sucks eh? )

Exaggerate that into fantasy realm like in HSDK, and we can have the mantra / meditation being faster to start (grandmaster class like Guru Rahman can start this at will, instantly), and has a more pronounced effect buffing various of your attributes and debuffing the opponent's. An adventure to India would be nice too. I wish HSDK will eventually become a sort of "cultural adventure manga" that goes to different countries and showing the cultures there more or less authentically. That aspect was very common to mangas of the 90's, and it made manga a lot more interesting to me.

I'm really interested in the Urumi though. A real life human, perhaps peak human (almost Yomi), can probably pull off faster than sound slashes with an Urumi already. Now imagine what a grandmaster can do with this... I almost want to see it just for the hypothetical scene where the Elder himself simply could not react and got hit without even seeing the blade (moving in the hypersonic range and with a hard to predict curving trajectory), then the Elder would have to trigger his Ryushui Seikuken, using all of his power, to counter a weapon that fast.