HSDK Battle 578 Released

@Ogata

Dude... MIKUMO TURNED INTO A AURA GIANT. She defiantly is a legendary master, though I think she would lose against the other legendaries of the series(minus the fox).We only see this super destructive massive super moves from legendaries, you know what they all have a special move.. Ive concluded that to be a legendary you must have a super spectacular aww defying move move. 

Ive come up with a speculation why she's become so powerful...

@Ogata

Dude... MIKUMO TURNED INTO A AURA GIANT. She defiantly is a legendary master, though I think she would lose against the other legendaries of the series(minus the fox).We only see this super destructive massive super moves from legendaries, you know what they all have a special move.. Ive concluded that to be a legendary you must have a super spectacular aww defying move move. 

Ive come up with a speculation why she's become so powerful...

I agree with everything you said except the Fox comment!

The Fox was able to catch both Ganosuke and Hayato offguard! If the fox wanted to, he could have defeated Ganosuke in an instant but out of respect to Hayato , Mr.Fox was gracious enough to allow Hayato to finish the match so the Elder woulden't feel undermined and end up with a hurt pride.

This chapter was all about Ogata and Kushinada sexy-samas!!! They look so hot together wooooooo!!!!

Honestly, Senzui and Saigas move seem so unimpressive and underwhelming compared to Ogata and Kushinadas! I wonder if the next villain might end up being someone who is a great grand relative of either Kushinada or Ogata (we know nothing about his parents)

I still can't believe Ogata defeated BOTH Agaard and Sir Rahman in an INSTANT! I know he is not legendary yet, but I wonder how powerful Ogata is with his Sei-Dou!???

haha battle of gods

epic chapter tho

So...damn. Absurd power much? Roar as One was awesome though.

Mikumo's technique seems similar to Nico Robin's arm things...

Mikumo's technique seems similar to Nico Robin's arm things...

Yea.. I wonder how such a technique is possible though. This is like an infinite aura fient.

@ Delirium Trigger:

I agree with you on Kushinadas skill, infact Nico Robins arm technique is due to her devil fruit power as oppose to martial arts training and Ogatas Sei-Dou is like Gokus Kaioken technique!

With that being said, I eagerly await to see how citizen_lion reacts to Kushinada and Ogatas move since its waaaaaaay more unrealistic than Saiga/Senzui catching that giant boulder with their fingers!

This should be good!


P.S: What happened to forum members Rimi and Saiga??? They haven't really posting here for few months now...
 

Seems like it's an extension of her ki, like the weapon user's Shinto Kourensan, but godly. She isn't the Bewitching Fist for no reason.

Yeah well, that's one HELL of an extension!


Makes you wonder what Hayato,Ganosuke and Jenazads "Final techniques" are!

Anyway, I am super disappointed with Hachiou masters, Seitaro is an ok weapon master but all and all, with the exception of Ganosuke, the Hachiou masters were very disappointing and got beat very easily, specialy the female members and Michael ofcourse!

As far as what's going to happen next, basically Ogata and Kushinada are the REAL threat since between them they have defeated Dankichi,Sai Kagerou,Agaard and Rahman with ease and without taking any damage while Seitaro almost died from getting punched in the face by a half dead weapon master in Sai Kagerou.

I assume Seitaro made it with Ogata and Kushinada because of the "Former Katsujinken" plot and that we are going to see Ryo-rythem vs Former Katsujinken Rythem...Should be good!!!

 

Rereading it again, and it seems like Kushinada's technique is basically an extended version of the true breathing throw, and the "ki hands" are kinda how the masters interpret the move, being the paths where the ki will travel or something of the sort. Nothing too crazy, honestly.

What happened to Sougetsu? He was kicking ass, then vanished all of a sudden. Did Hermit call for assistance?

Edit: Congrats for Sougetsu finally using an actual technique!

Yea.. I wonder how such a technique is possible though. This is like an infinite aura fient.

Basically. Ki is a strange and complicated thing in HSDK. 

Well...this chapter made me guffaw again.  Like Citizen_lion said last week, I'm hoping the badguys win...sort of... because drama!  And we need Dark-Miu.  

But...I just don't see it... it would be contrived.  I think our dear series is ending.  

This was one hell of an absurd chapter though, jeeze.

Alright, let me put down everything I know about Ki so we can understand it. Ki stands for killing intent however doesn't correspond to the actual intent to kill (Sakaki). People can sense it (No shit). Soldiers feel large amount of ki on the battle field (look at the onikwa base attack).

Ki also is a pushing force( RYOZAN BLAAST!!!). Ki can be used to sense someones presence(along with many other things). Using Ki to feint your intentions or where you are going to be is possible. Has something to do with hardening your body and making it impenetrable(I think this has something to do with the pushing part). Please add to this it would help. 

So what can we(I) make of this.Well, I think there are different forms of ki then. I have no idea how many but theres more than 2(possibly 3).

And I think this all revolves around SENSORS. Sakaki once mentioned to honika something about ki pressure and the ability to sense danger has significantly reduced in humans. Basically it expands after that allowing you to sense aura's and pick up unique things about those different auras yadayadayada. But what does this actually have to do with a pushing force? I have no clue anyone help me please

BYTHEWAY: I in no way saying I fully understand Ki :3

Edit: I have a speculation to the types of Ki: Sensing, Aura, Intent, and Pushing.

For some reason I cant edit I will now extrapolate what I was saying before: Sensing: Allows you to actualy see, project, your ki. Like the masters have the ability to detect Auras and Ki around him. Intent comes afterwards: This mingeled with Aura allows for Aura fients where you project your intentions and your Aura/Presence. Aura sensing is obviously sensing the Aura's around you and manipulating your own Aura. This can be as extensive as reading someones persona or rythme. Pushing I added not as a sensor but more as something that exists but we do not begin to comprehend it. I can easily see someone projecting their aura and intentions to throw someone by tricking them, but actually be a force idk man. This is a little mangeled and bleh, so I would appreciate some other interpretations.

I have burned out my rage reserve after the diamond bone technique displayed by Saiga and Senzui, so strangely, Mikumo turning into Rei only triggered a resigned sigh from me.

Yea, I think the series is ending too... but I hope that it doesn't. I hope that this is actually like the beginning of a glorious new arc, something like the final battle in Toriko leading to the old generation all weak and dying, and the new generation must take its place.

I can't even begin to explain the Giant Rei technique. Danger sensing can only work to a certain extend. Sure, if I have incredibly paranoid reflex, then I will be auto-thrown when Akisame make a subtle, sudden motion that hints at jabbing my eyes out, but that CANNOT WORK FROM A DISTANCE. Perhaps becoming a master, or a grandmaster (the better you are the worst you become at avoiding ki-feints), mean that you stop thinking in terms of human physiology, or at least forgetting the fact that even a legendary's attack range is only in the 10m range, and that is if that legendary is dashing straight toward you, not standing still.

Hell, when James Shiba was backing away from Saiga, he could keep his distance for a LONG time, and in fact he could back away from a direct dash punch. So what kind of threat can Kushinada poses standing still? No matter what kind of subtle body movement she projects, any human being with a somewhat normal thought process (like James Shiba) should know that she cannot possibly attack from there.

The scene where Ma Kensei got thrown. What happened was that Mildred losing off a desperate last arrow with her feet and her teeth, which caught Ma off guard and he barely dodged it. Then he seemed to be grabbed and thrown by a phantom arm.

What actually happened was that Ma felt a presence while dodging that arrow in a bad posture and, feeling already off balanced, he instinctively rolled and dodged that "presence", which led to him being thrown... by himself. Ok, I admit that is impressive, but I believe that this only works because the Ryo masters had cranked their danger avoidance reflex to the max in that moment to dodge all the weapon users, who are all in Shintou Kourenzan mode (Seitarou is a true team leader who can make ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES become one with their weapons. Talk about leading by example!)

 

Edit: I have a speculation to the types of Ki: Sensing, Aura, Intent, and Pushing.

Ki as a pushing force is actually the easiest to explain in real life, I think. It is all about intimidation. If I see a 8 feet tall, extremely muscular old man dressed like some sort of ancient monster pushing his claws out toward me with enough force to cause a significant gust of wind, and a roar loud enough to shake my bones, I would instinctively jump back.

You can feel this at the beach, facing a wave. When a wave begin to reach above your head, you will instinctively relax your muscle and jump back or let the wave carry you back, not fight it. Because at an instinctive, animal level, you are fearful, although you may not feel it in your rational brain.

I have burned out my rage reserve after the diamond bone technique displayed by Saiga and Senzui, so strangely, Mikumo turning into Rei only triggered a resigned sigh from me.

 

Yea, I think the series is ending too... but I hope that it doesn't.

 

The series is infact ending due to the offical guide book that tells all about prominent fighters age,height,weight,hobbies and aspiration. Which means that, the author is trying to rap things up by tying up all the loose ends.

For example:

Michael Schtilvay

Age:29
Birthday: november 10 (on a same week as mine )
Height:6,5
weight: 236
Hobbies:Gourmet food
Likes: Foei gras
Dislikes: Caviar
Dreams: become rich, move to a southern island and retire for life

Also, in Hongos bio, the name of his master is revealed who is named Kazami Lori, also Lughs dream is to create a sound version of google earth or how Ogatas biggest dislikes are harvestmen spiders!

To me, this means that the author is gonna wrap hsdk up since Kenichi finaly fought the main disciple and that all the ragnarok guys have made their reunion which means, the journey has made a full circle.

That being said, remember Baki manga, the manga went from Baki to New grappler Baki, to Son of Ogre to the newly debut Baki...Baki-Dou! (Yujiros new opponent is Myomto Musashi/Ganosuke Yokio type character)

I wonder if Berserker combines his berserker mode+Sei-Dou, would he be at the same level as Shigure/weapon masters based on physical features?

Also, in Hongos bio, the name of his master is revealed who is named Kazami Lori, also Lughs dream is to create a sound version of google earth or how Ogatas biggest dislikes are harvestmen spiders!

 

The guide book being published doesn't have to mean that the series is ending. I think if it really was ending, they would have waited a bit longer and included Senzui, Mycroft etc. Guide books like that are just a very common thing:

Btw, it's Iori (with an "i" at the beginning) and not Lori. The i/l thing is always a bit of a trouble when you have a non-serif font like the one this forum uses.

Ki as a pushing force is actually the easiest to explain in real life, I think. It is all about intimidation. If I see a 8 feet tall, extremely muscular old man dressed like some sort of ancient monster pushing his claws out toward me with enough force to cause a significant gust of wind, and a roar loud enough to shake my bones, I would instinctively jump back.

 

You can feel this at the beach, facing a wave. When a wave begin to reach above your head, you will instinctively relax your muscle and jump back or let the wave carry you back, not fight it. Because at an instinctive, animal level, you are fearful, although you may not feel it in your rational brain.

Waves do not kump my friend. Waves do not jump.

I have burned out my rage reserve after the diamond bone technique displayed by Saiga and Senzui, so strangely, Mikumo turning into Rei only triggered a resigned sigh from me.

 

Yea, I think the series is ending too... but I hope that it doesn't. I hope that this is actually like the beginning of a glorious new arc, something like the final battle in Toriko leading to the old generation all weak and dying, and the new generation must take its place.

 

I can't even begin to explain the Giant Rei technique. Danger sensing can only work to a certain extend. Sure, if I have incredibly paranoid reflex, then I will be auto-thrown when Akisame make a subtle, sudden motion that hints at jabbing my eyes out, but that CANNOT WORK FROM A DISTANCE. Perhaps becoming a master, or a grandmaster (the better you are the worst you become at avoiding ki-feints), mean that you stop thinking in terms of human physiology, or at least forgetting the fact that even a legendary's attack range is only in the 10m range, and that is if that legendary is dashing straight toward you, not standing still.

 

Hell, when James Shiba was backing away from Saiga, he could keep his distance for a LONG time, and in fact he could back away from a direct dash punch. So what kind of threat can Kushinada poses standing still? No matter what kind of subtle body movement she projects, any human being with a somewhat normal thought process (like James Shiba) should know that she cannot possibly attack from there.

 

The scene where Ma Kensei got thrown. What happened was that Mildred losing off a desperate last arrow with her feet and her teeth, which caught Ma off guard and he barely dodged it. Then he seemed to be grabbed and thrown by a phantom arm.

 

What actually happened was that Ma felt a presence while dodging that arrow in a bad posture and, feeling already off balanced, he instinctively rolled and dodged that "presence", which led to him being thrown... by himself. Ok, I admit that is impressive, but I believe that this only works because the Ryo masters had cranked their danger avoidance reflex to the max in that moment to dodge all the weapon users, who are all in Shintou Kourenzan mode (Seitarou is a true team leader who can make ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES become one with their weapons. Talk about leading by example!)

Did you not see Mikumo move? Cause she did. Also sounded like you literally convinced yourself of its reality.

To be fair, HSDK has often showed us something that seems unexplainable, but then qualifies it later...somewhat.

For instance, Akisame's Ki throw is based on the fact that his opponent's only option when he is caught by it, is to flip onto the ground lest be broken by some other grapple.

So we've seen a series of hands peel out of the earth.  I don't know what that is.  I suppose it implies that Mikumo is fast, and that the other masters are sensing a series of low attacks at many angles?  But then again, Grandpa can punch holes in the ocean.

Anyway, it makes Mikumo scary as fuck.

It seems like its ending, but there are so many good opponents for Kenichi still... so I could see it going either way.  Still, we have a gathering of heroes...and that's usually a climax.  but... there are many ways for the story to continue...

Does the story have to have a BIG end that equals Yami's plan?  Perhaps not.  Perhaps it could just be a personal issue?  Like Dark Miu?  I WANT EVIL MIU GODDAMN IT. 

Did you not see Mikumo move? Cause she did. Also sounded like you literally convinced yourself of its reality.

No, the panel where Mikumo moved was AFTER the panel when Ma was thrown. Ma appeared to be held by a phantom arm right after dodging Mildred's final surprise arrow, before the panel where Mikumo appears to move to react to the whole team jumping toward her.  

Also, when Ma was thrown, the team was still very far away from where Mikumo was standing (at least one big jump away), and she cannot possibly launch attacks from that distance, simultaneously in many different positions. Because that would mean she is MUCH MUCH faster than Hayato, Saiga, and Jenazad, whose speed were comparable (in the 810+ km/h range, with full agility and fighting potential, possibly faster in a straight focused run).

So that phantom arm technique must be some sort of "infinite ki feint", meaning Ma was thrown by his own paranoid reflex. My interpretation of that is "Ma felt some sort of presence after dodging an arrow in a bad posture and losing his balance, which made him dodge by reflex a phantom attack."

If Ma simply ignore that presence grabbing his leg, he would find that it indeed does not exist at all. All "ki feints" can be ignored this way, but this is incredibly hard for a master to do because they are conditioned to react to any fluctuation in the very air itself instantly.

Oh, and about the wave analogy, maybe I didn't phrase myself clearly. I mean, when you see a big wave that will go over your head, and you are standing straight trying to face it, you will feel an automatic tendency to relax and jump up above the wave instead of taking the wave head on. Standing and take the impact of the wave head on is something that the body will try to resist doing. That is what I think "ki" is in HSDK, automatic reactions in the human body that a truly skilled martial artists can take advantage of.

Note: I have done this experiment on myself numerous time on the beach, actually. I had always flinched at the very last moment before the wave crashes onto me, which led me to believe that this is a sort of automatic reflex. I can consciously shut down this reflex now, so that I stand still and take the full impact of the wave, but this is not something that the body naturally wants. So... an explanation for "pushing ki"?

No, the panel where Mikumo moved was AFTER the panel when Ma was thrown. Ma appeared to be held by a phantom arm right after dodging Mildred's final surprise arrow, before the panel where Mikumo appears to move to react to the whole team jumping toward her.  

 

Also, when Ma was thrown, the team was still very far away from where Mikumo was standing (at least one big jump away), and she cannot possibly launch attacks from that distance, simultaneously in many different positions. Because that would mean she is MUCH MUCH faster than Hayato, Saiga, and Jenazad, whose speed were comparable (in the 810+ km/h range, with full agility and fighting potential, possibly faster in a straight focused run).

 

So that phantom arm technique must be some sort of "infinite ki feint", meaning Ma was thrown by his own paranoid reflex. My interpretation of that is "Ma felt some sort of presence after dodging an arrow in a bad posture and losing his balance, which made him dodge by reflex a phantom attack."

 

If Ma simply ignore that presence grabbing his leg, he would find that it indeed does not exist at all. All "ki feints" can be ignored this way, but this is incredibly hard for a master to do because they are conditioned to react to any fluctuation in the very air itself instantly.

 

Oh, and about the wave analogy, maybe I didn't phrase myself clearly. I mean, when you see a big wave that will go over your head, and you are standing straight trying to face it, you will feel an automatic tendency to relax and jump up above the wave instead of taking the wave head on. Standing and take the impact of the wave head on is something that the body will try to resist doing. That is what I think "ki" is in HSDK, automatic reactions in the human body that a truly skilled martial artists can take advantage of.

 

Note: I have done this experiment on myself numerous time on the beach, actually. I had always flinched at the very last moment before the wave crashes onto me, which led me to believe that this is a sort of automatic reflex. I can consciously shut down this reflex now, so that I stand still and take the full impact of the wave, but this is not something that the body naturally wants. So... an explanation for "pushing ki"?

Hm you are right. I believe its more like her "shadow" moved. Shigure did this with the opponents weapons. Its possible that she's also just as vulnerable, which is probably why their guarding her.