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[Baby Joe]

History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi Battle 567 has been released by MangaPanda. The fight between YOMI and the Shinpaku Alliance rages on! Battle 567 is titled, "Life and Pride"

[Ogata]

Damn! I hate how Michael Schtilvay got owned by Hongo so easily!!!


That being said, Im glad that the original yomi went againts the armed division! Goddamn, the weapon division have been portrayed like chumps so far... 

[biggbran77]

Yawn...Saw that coming too. Melee division never really liked weapons division, did you really think they'd cooperate?

I know I didn't. And Hongou interfering when a master is attacking a disciple was pretty much an obvious.

[Haru Glory]

lol while it seemed predictable, I really liked the chapter

hell kenichi is ready to fight just cause now

and I figured ukita would be saved by chikage

[citizen_lion]

@Ogata, well, let's hope this is just Michael, not the rest of them. That said, Hongo paused to look at his hand afterward and realized that his signature torsion thrust didn't even draw blood, so I bet you he is slightly puzzled too, and it's probably foreshadowing that Michael will come back somehow.

[Ogata]

@Ogata, well, let's hope this is just Michael, not the rest of them. That said, Hongo paused to look at his hand afterward and realized that his signature torsion thrust didn't even draw blood, so I bet you he is slightly puzzled too, and it's probably foreshadowing that Michael will come back somehow.

True, the fact that Kajima could see a masters movement made me wonder a question I have always wondered....Would a weaponless Shigure vs the entire barehanded yomi (including sho) be a competitive match? Or would a weaponless Shigure beat all the OSNF disciples without taking a single hit even if all came at her at the same time???

[citizen_lion]

True, the fact that Kajima could see a masters movement made me wonder a question I have always wondered....Would a weaponless Shigure vs the entire barehanded yomi (including sho) be a competitive match? Or would a weaponless Shigure beat all the OSNF disciples without taking a single hit even if all came at her at the same time???

 

That is a really interesting proposition. Against Michael Stilvay without his scythe and mastercraft armour, I would say the Yomi (Sho and Kajima included) takes it with minor difficulty.

 

Against Shigure, I would say this becomes something of a toss up, probably 40% chance of Shigure's losing. Shigure without weapons, and by this I mean she must be stark naked, because just about anything is a weapon in her hand, had not shown the kind of brute strength necessary to take out tank disciples like Koukin, Berserker, Hermit in one hit or even a few hits for that matter. 

 

Her athleticism is above Sho (the Master Missile scene saw to that) but not THAT much above. Sho was faster than Dark Miu back when he was alive. The "Miu fanclub" on the Mangafox forum would argue this, but I could pull up pages showing Sho literally just playing with Miu and getting behind her anytime he wants, incapacitating her with a one arm choke, etc. and if he is still alive now he would be faster than Bulu Miu and even Rimi. Kajima may or may not be as fast as Sho, but he certainly showed similar level of aerial skills in his training. Kajima's "holding himself upside down with only his toes" feat is equivalent to what Shigure displays daily! Berserker is not as skilled as Kajima and Sho, but I bet you that he is actually even MORE athletic. He displayed Sho/Kajima-level jumps back in the Ragnarok arc, with zero training! 

 

I also speculated that Shigure knew that physical strength is still her only weakness (due to her age, not much older than the disciples themselves), and so she is still training that everyday.

 

Chikage won't be able to do much against Shigure though, because her balance is clearly grand master class or even above (the "balancing on an arrow head on the weapons of two other grandmasters" scene, which I would say is nearly approaching Ma's and Mikumo's level of balance), so Jujitsu throws of even expert class won't be sufficient to affect her.

 

Same for Boris, Shigure is just too fast. But he can provide added distraction / impedance. Same for Ethan, but in a combo with his sister, things are different. Rachel is equivalent to Renka in all attributes except her sad past and unstable personality, which won't factor into this fight. We saw Renka and 2 lesser disciples taking out a normal weapon master with ONE combo hit! Rachel and Ethan combo-ing should be enough to take out a normal weapon master easily too. It is also noteworthy that Rachel, Rimi, and Sho are the only three disciples so far shown to run fast enough at least on flat ground to create optical illusions (after images).

[Ogata]

That is a really interesting proposition. Against Michael Stilvay without his scythe and mastercraft armour, I would say the Yomi (Sho and Kajima included) takes it with minor difficulty.

 

Against Shigure, I would say this becomes something of a toss up, probably 40% chance of Shigure's losing. Shigure without weapons, and by this I mean she must be stark naked, because just about anything is a weapon in her hand, had not shown the kind of brute strength necessary to take out tank disciples like Koukin, Berserker, Hermit in one hit or even a few hits for that matter. 

 

Her athleticism is above Sho (the Master Missile scene saw to that) but not THAT much above. Sho was faster than Dark Miu back when he was alive. The "Miu fanclub" on the Mangafox forum would argue this, but I could pull up pages showing Sho literally just playing with Miu and getting behind her anytime he wants, incapacitating her with a one arm choke, etc. and if he is still alive now he would be faster than Bulu Miu and even Rimi. Kajima may or may not be as fast as Sho, but he certainly showed similar level of aerial skills in his training. Kajima's "holding himself upside down with only his toes" feat is equivalent to what Shigure displays daily! Berserker is not as skilled as Kajima and Sho, but I bet you that he is actually even MORE athletic. He displayed Sho/Kajima-level jumps back in the Ragnarok arc, with zero training! 

 

I also speculated that Shigure knew that physical strength is still her only weakness (due to her age, not much older than the disciples themselves), and so she is still training that everyday.

 

Chikage won't be able to do much against Shigure though, because her balance is clearly grand master class or even above (the "balancing on an arrow head on the weapons of two other grandmasters" scene, which I would say is nearly approaching Ma's and Mikumo's level of balance), so Jujitsu throws of even expert class won't be sufficient to affect her.

 

Same for Boris, Shigure is just too fast. But he can provide added distraction / impedance. Same for Ethan, but in a combo with his sister, things are different. Rachel is equivalent to Renka in all attributes except her sad past and unstable personality, which won't factor into this fight. We saw Renka and 2 lesser disciples taking out a normal weapon master with ONE combo hit! Rachel and Ethan combo-ing should be enough to take out a normal weapon master easily too. It is also noteworthy that Rachel, Rimi, and Sho are the only three disciples so far shown to run fast enough at least on flat ground to create optical illusions (after images).

I hear what your saying, I also wonder if Lugh were to catch Shigure in submission, could she escape it or if she is done for similar to how Jenazad got caught in a move againts someone who he outclassed in so many ways. It would be interesting since Shigure thought that Lughs Ki was masterclass and in the "Witch" chapter, a guard snuck behind Shigure for a moment until Tochumaru intervened. I wonder if the yomi can come up with a tactic to catch her offguard?

So  in regards to her having 60 percent chance of winning, would she come out of the ordeal injured or is their a scenario were she takes zero hits from any of the unarmed yomis past and present?

[Red Duel]

Interesting chapter I was expecting the unarmed Yomi to do something like that and I'm glad that it happend to.

[citizen_lion]

I hear what your saying, I also wonder if Lugh were to catch Shigure in submission, could she escape it or if she is done for similar to how Jenazad got caught in a move againts someone who he outclassed in so many ways. It would be interesting since Shigure thought that Lughs Ki was masterclass and in the "Witch" chapter, a guard snuck behind Shigure for a moment until Tochumaru intervened. I wonder if the yomi can come up with a tactic to catch her offguard?

So  in regards to her having 60 percent chance of winning, would she come out of the ordeal injured or is their a scenario were she takes zero hits from any of the unarmed yomis past and present?

 

The problem is getting Shigure caught completely off guard like this is incredibly difficult. Shigure has no such personality crutch as Jenazad, as far as we have been shown. Jenazad operates under the assumption that absolutely nothing in this world would be enough to defeat him. After all, even Hayato did not defeat him, because Jenazad said that Hongo was the very first person who did, and he could not imagine that the day would finally come. Shigure, on the other hand, is very acutely aware of her weaknesses, fears, and use that to make her more alert. If anything, it would be harder for Lugh to entrap her, because Shigure's especially exaggerated sense of danger avoidance registers Lugh as master class, which is not a good thing against other masters who are good at ki-feint, but excellent in this situation against Yomi, since no amount of ki-hiding would be enough to fool Shigure, and none of Yomi knew ki-feint to a decent extent.

 

Note: the Elder himself stated that Shigure is the best in RZ in infiltration, which means including himself (fastest speed) and Ma Kensei (second fastest speed and small size). That means her danger avoidance sense must be leaps and bounds above even the grandmaster class.

 

Edit 2: hmm, interesting observation about the guard! We have yet to understand whether Shigure could not sense the guard (hypersensitive but unreliable ki sensing) or she was aware but was simply not fast enough to deal with threats all around her. In both case, Yomi-level combatants would be able to take advantage of this if they work in formation.

 

The only one who knew a little bit about ki-feints was Sho, with his Gamaku stance (shifting center of gravity by controlling one's core muscle to fool an opponent into defending against one leg while kicking out with the other), but i doubt that would be enough to make a difference.

 

Shigure's main personality weakness would be a willingness to sacrifice herself for someone defenseless and innocent, but Yomi certainly won't go this low.

 

Edit: so I would say it all comes down to someone making a first hit. If Sho, Kajima, Koukin, Berserker, or Hermit manages to land one hard hit, and really only those five are capable of hitting Shigure hard enough to stunt her for a moment. Then she has a very high chance of losing from then, because she isn't extremely far above all of them without weapons to recover from such a situation. But if she manages to take two of those five out, then it's likely she would win the match without much more than a minor bruise at best.

[jvaldes169]

Loved the chapter even though a lot of what happened seemed predictable. hongou for the fucking win

[jvaldes169]

Can't wait for yomi unarmed vs ared yomi although it was pretty obvious this would occur

[Ogata]

The problem is getting Shigure caught completely off guard like this is incredibly difficult. Shigure has no such personality crutch as Jenazad, as far as we have been shown. Jenazad operates under the assumption that absolutely nothing in this world would be enough to defeat him. After all, even Hayato did not defeat him, because Jenazad said that Hongo was the very first person who did, and he could not imagine that the day would finally come. Shigure, on the other hand, is very acutely aware of her weaknesses, fears, and use that to make her more alert. If anything, it would be harder for Lugh to entrap her, because Shigure's especially exaggerated sense of danger avoidance registers Lugh as master class, which is not a good thing against other masters who are good at ki-feint, but excellent in this situation against Yomi, since no amount of ki-hiding would be enough to fool Shigure, and none of Yomi knew ki-feint to a decent extent.

 

Note: the Elder himself stated that Shigure is the best in RZ in infiltration, which means including himself (fastest speed) and Ma Kensei (second fastest speed and small size). That means her danger avoidance sense must be leaps and bounds above even the grandmaster class.

 

Edit 2: hmm, interesting observation about the guard! We have yet to understand whether Shigure could not sense the guard (hypersensitive but unreliable ki sensing) or she was aware but was simply not fast enough to deal with threats all around her. In both case, Yomi-level combatants would be able to take advantage of this if they work in formation.

 

The only one who knew a little bit about ki-feints was Sho, with his Gamaku stance (shifting center of gravity by controlling one's core muscle to fool an opponent into defending against one leg while kicking out with the other), but i doubt that would be enough to make a difference.

 

Shigure's main personality weakness would be a willingness to sacrifice herself for someone defenseless and innocent, but Yomi certainly won't go this low.

 

Edit: so I would say it all comes down to someone making a first hit. If Sho, Kajima, Koukin, Berserker, or Hermit manages to land one hard hit, and really only those five are capable of hitting Shigure hard enough to stunt her for a moment. Then she has a very high chance of losing from then, because she isn't extremely far above all of them without weapons to recover from such a situation. But if she manages to take two of those five out, then it's likely she would win the match without much more than a minor bruise at best.

Yeah that part confused me as well! I know one guard sneaked up telling the head scientist that they have to kill her and in the panel she noticed him but then Tochumaru jumped in and dealt with the guard.

Also, when Agaard kicked Shigure, she kind of got busted up pretty good! While Kenichi at this point can take a beating from Sakaki and Apachai so I wonder if Yomi members may have better endurance than Shigure or same level to say the least!?

[Delirium Trigger]

Just glad to see Ukita handling himself, Hermit and Kōkin back-to-back, Siegfried protecting Thor, and the overall morale boost that everyone received.

Citizen Lion, I thought that Hongo crushed the communicator that Yami has in his hand and it seemed like Michael was bleeding on the way down, then again, whatever technique Hongō used was not a knifehand. There would be some sort of spiraling force leaving the building. Anyways, he's still there to make sure the fight continues.

The only Yomi members that I think have comparable endurance are, Hermit (Can't accept defeat at all, and has little history dealing with masters such as avoiding Shiba's pickpocketing), Kōkin (Had one of the best fights with Kenichi) and Berserker maybe? I never seen Chikage get hurt before so. Ethan's an honorable mention because he managed to stand up momentarily after being hit with Kenichi's Kouri Noki(?).

And about Siegfried!!! He's held himself for the longest without receiving noticeable injuries until he got cut, even dealing with those slasher soldiers, but he needs to tap into his bizarre ways that even the author could not explain to turn the tides in their favor.

And Kisara, please get up!!

[Delirium Trigger]

And it's not like Shigure loses her reaction speed because she's weaponless....right?

[onigiri_boy]

This chapter was bad...bad...good...bad, nd pretty good.....I hated the whole idea of the "elder telepathy" thing, it was one of the things that made the chapter unrealistic, then there's the lack of hype where hongo vs michael was concerned, from start to finish in that fight there was just not enough...I love that chikage flipped the tables, but this shows that shinpaku havent made as much progress as we thought they would coming up to this arc...miu is the only one who hasnt slandered her expectations as she's fighting two people who have the potential to be (if they arent already) just as god as her, so thumbs up to miu.

 

I find it cliche that the plant happened to bud at that moment when chikage comes to her senses, it happened before with kenichi, and i cant recall anymore but im sure similar things have happened xD overall i just think it was just overly shonen...more than fairytail actually, but only this week's chapter was. The mangaka really lead us to think that there was no survival here for ryozanpaku and shinpaku but this week he just flipped it for shinpaku, and next week we might see another flip at the master's location this time but...who knows...

 

I'll admit, i really thought ryuuto and the prince of tidat (forgot his name) would come busting in to save SA but i guess they will arrive later. (there's no way this manga is gonna end if those two arent in the final arc, very influential characters) so i'll just sit back, enjoy the pantyshots...i mean manga...and wait for that TIMESKIP!!!! XD

 

3 stars for this chapter.

[Delirium Trigger]

I don't think it was telepathy as it was more of a booming cry that could be heard.

[katherine]

Finally! Unarmed yomi, please show them who's the best here!
yeah, it would be nice if Ryuto, Jihan and the others like maybe Lona come back. And sad if they don't.
But anyway, I like Hongo's character. He's bad and at the same he's good. I mean, he's not one of total evil, BUT still a satsujinken. One of my favourite characters.
About Michael... well, I liked him too, but that action on a disciple... and he's not dead, right? That would be too easy, I think.
and about Kisara. I don't care if she died, I've never really liked her. anyway, that was atypical way to die. XD

[Ogata]

And it's not like Shigure loses her reaction speed because she's weaponless....right?

Well no she is not gonna lose her reaction time but without a weapon she may not have the destructive power to be formidbble againts a large amount of yomi disciples who are near the master class. For example, she may deliver a powerful kick to Lugh and Lugh may get badly hurt but still good enough to grab her kick and put her in a submission luck perhaps?

The thing that bothered me was, when she made a fake sword for the scientiest and it shattered, suddenly ALL of the guards slammed her to the wall while putting a rifle in her mouth. She should have been able to avoid that easily!

 

Finally! Unarmed yomi, please show them who's the best here!
yeah, it would be nice if Ryuto, Jihan and the others like maybe Lona come back. And sad if they don't.
But anyway, I like Hongo's character. He's bad and at the same he's good. I mean, he's not one of total evil, BUT still a satsujinken. One of my favourite characters.
About Michael... well, I liked him too, but that action on a disciple... and he's not dead, right? That would be too easy, I think.
and about Kisara. I don't care if she died, I've never really liked her. anyway, that was atypical way to die. XD

I also like Michael Schtilvay too believe it or not BUT...Being a follower of Gedou fist which was Jenazads way of life is basicly a death flag for the character since it means that they MUST be stopped!

That being said, I don't understand why Kenichiwiki has declared Michael deceased, they did that with Sai Kagerou but it seems like he is alive based on Elders telepathy message.

I hope he is alive since he is a really good villain since Sougetsu Ma,Ogata Isshinsai, Rahman,Kushinada and most yami masters don't really seem all that bad. I hope Michael Schtilvay comes back years later when every disciple is a master and he can comeback as some super high level master like Ganosuke,Kushinada or something...

[citizen_lion]

@Ogata

 

That scene with the fake sword is obviously her act. She was playing the "vulnerable in the hands of a pervert" act to unseat the overly serious scientist, who loses dignity and credit with his men every time he orders anything done to her. Shigure is fearsome when she fights and crafty when at peace, but all of Ryozanpaku are like this due to their high degree of emotional maturity (you must be to stay katsujinken, really).

 

Yes, I agree with the analysis that Shigure maybe fast, but she's probably 4 times the top speed of Sho at best, because Sho already could aim dodge bullets. Even Kenichi can aim block bullets now. And there are 3 other fighters in Yomi with equivalent speed to Sho (Kajima, Rimi, and Berserker).

 

Shigure's physicality had never been shown to be in the class that would down high hitpoint Yomis like Koukin, and yes, Lugh. It's unlikely that Lugh will be able to grab her though, but in a moment of distraction dealing out an ineffectual hit on Koukin or Lugh, the 4 speedster will have some chance of landing a hit. If they land a hit, the fight will go downhill from there for Shigure.

 

@Delirium Trigger Sieg is also a tank, but he's not in the Yomi group we are discussing for this hypothetical fight.

 

Michael cannot possibly died. Hongo's knife hand did not even pierce the vest, and it was a knife hand attack. The name started the same. The second attack is probably a continuous or area effect attack to try to push him out of the building, but it ended with Hongo's hand in the knife position, and Hongo looked puzzled at his fingers, so we can deduce that he is thinking "why isn't there any blood?!"