HSDK Battle 573 Released

Senzui looks like the memes "Final boss of the internet"

EDIT: Like to add that, props to whoever called out Senzui being Saiga indisguise...

I can see a flashback of Saiga/Senzui similar to Sakaki/Hongo happening+ with Hongo down I can see Michael trying to extract his revenge only to meet Shigure and an injured Michael vs armourless Shigure should be a good match at this point.

Though Shigure got this...

These disguises/masks are freaking incredible! I wonder if the OSNF knew about this guy. After all, he was mainly in the shadows whenever it came to their meetings (until recently for whatever reason). And Saiga hasn't turned face on us yet, there's a reason Hayato has regarded Saiga's actions as his greatest failure.

Side note: I can finally rest now! Night!

So Senzui has been impersonating Saiga for a long time, huh? If he was the one who killed Miu's mother, that means he's kept up the act for years. Saiga has probably been living in exile while preparing to get his revenge the whole time.

I wonder how long Senzui impersonated Saiga, if it's from the beginning it explains why he didn't talk to Akisame back then wouldn't want to be found out. Also why impersonate him if you're strong enough no one should care if you're from a secret ninja clan... or did he want that fuurinji hype?

This chapter had me going, "Whaaaattt?" the entire time. I'm going to guess that the man in Tidat disguised as John was Saiga and not Senzui pretending to be Saiga pretending to be John. Does this mean that Saiga was never the One Shadow?

I think someone here had the idea that Senzui was Saiga in disguise. They were sort of right.

Also which Saiga crippled Shiba?

1st to correct everyone who is saying it wrong, it's Saiga was Senzui in disguise.

Next I don't see why anyone would be surprised, the story is so cliche` it's predictable.

Senzui has probably been impersonating the whole time even as leader of Yami. Who would really chance challenging someone from the Furinji family who's also satsujinken? One of the strongest martial arts families known and they'll kill you in battle. Not really a chance you want to take in my opinion but that's just me.

thank you!!! new chapter was awesome, but i'm really confused now.

so i just wonder how this saiga business will be explained

Wow. Lion was correct. Im gonna put this out their, the elder may have known of this. Or at least had his suspicions. It would explain why he took no action perviously, and Saiga himself may have written that letter to the Elder.(Cause who was alive to write about it?). But, Saiga must have some pull with yami. Kajima admitted, freely, that he had two masters(Senzu and Saiga). In fact why didn't he come out before about this, their is seemingly no reason not to. If any thing he should have done so immediately. This chapter is amazing, although it seems Senzu's disguise isn't perfect, he kept his hand on his face to keep the mask on probably. His facial expressions also seem to be foreign, not even referring to his movements. Anyone who knows Saiga well would know these movements were not his, this is probably the reason he didnt go with the Executioner blade and one shadow nine fist, he would be seen through by his "former alies".

Edit: Sorry about the bad flow, I just through up all my thoughts on there.

That is indeed amazing! Yea, I think that Senzui has been Saiga for a very long time, possibly ever since the beginning of the manga, and Saiga never killed his wife. He and his faction simply lost, and was massacred until only Saiga alone stood. Then he went into hiding because even he cannot fight against the entire Kuremisago, if Senzui is already his equal. Senzui, then, figured out that the best way to smear the Furinji name forever is to masquerade as Saiga, frame Saiga for killing his own wife, a Kuremisago, and then form the OSNF, a satsujinken organization.

The Saiga in Tidat was the real Saiga. Basically, Saiga used Senzui's trick against him. By going as himself, the One Shadow, he can avoid unnecessary fights, because everyone who managed to see him will at least pause for a second. Also, even if they knew he was there and fought him, it would become a non-event that noone talks about, because to normal Yami members, it would just look like some agenda from the top leadership that they did not know. No one would ever think "this Saiga is NOT the Ichiei!"

I don't think anyone knew about this though, except the real Saiga himself. None of the OSNF was stated to be Saiga's friend.

I need to reread this again!!!!!

@citizen_lion I may need to backtrack 100+ chapters back when my mind is ready to pick up small details related to them.

Now... Do Hayato and Mikumo know about all this??, because what could really happened to make Saiga stay away from Ryozanpaku if he's innocent??

Now... Do Hayato and Mikumo know about all this??, because what could really happened to make Saiga stay away from Ryozanpaku if he's innocent??

I think Mikumo knows but Hayato doesn't. As for reason why Saiga stays away from Rz. I would say that is to avoid conflict. He just lost basically the entire subclan of Kuremisago who allied with him, along with his wife. He probably knows that his kid is with Ryozanpaku. If he rejoined Ryozanpaku and rallied them to continue his Kuremisago internecine war, then his child suddenly stop being safe, with no guarantee that they will succeed.

Also, Shizuha has some unbelievable, eh, floatation devices. Martial arts must do something good to your, eh, size.

Unrelated to this chapter, does anyone own the guide book?

Well, cool that y'all were right... but this development is probably the most "boring" development for the story.  

Senzui does look awesome though.  Don't know where he kept all that hair.  

Am I the only one who thinks this is all rushed? Yami/Yomi turning against the Armed Division, Hongo's fight against Michael and Senzui (posing as Saiga), Miu's fight against the ninja chicks, Kenichi's fight against Kajima and Saiga and Senzui. None of it feels proper.

My theory behind Kajima having one master this whole time:

So according to the flashback, Kajima was dying from ilness/crappy genetics until he meets Senzui and becomes cured of having a lousy immune system. This was when Kajima was as young as Kenichi and Ryuto were when they were childhood friends.

Fast forward, Senzui joins Yami and becomes the leader of OSNF, he doesn't tell Kajima why? Well its because Kajima can't keep his mouth shut and sucks at keeping a secret since he told Shigure that he has "Two" masters. Senzui probably guessed that Kajima is prone to bragging so he kept the "Saiga" part for himself.

Ofcourse, the real Saiga wises up to the whole thing and somehow finds out that Kajima is unaware that Senzui is the fake Saiga and thus Saiga takes advantage of Kajima since Kajima has a "Duel" heart or pesonality or whatever he has. So just like how OSNF tried to prove their ideals is superior through their disciple, I reckon both Saiga and Senzui were challenging each others ideals through Kajima and hence why Kajima said at the end of the chapter "What is going on here!!!?"

A very interesting chapter. But i don't undestant why Kajima & Senzui have hidden their faces so long.

My theory behind Kajima having one master this whole time:

So according to the flashback, Kajima was dying from ilness/crappy genetics until he meets Senzui and becomes cured of having a lousy immune system. This was when Kajima was as young as Kenichi and Ryuto were when they were childhood friends.

Fast forward, Senzui joins Yami and becomes the leader of OSNF, he doesn't tell Kajima why? Well its because Kajima can't keep his mouth shut and sucks at keeping a secret since he told Shigure that he has "Two" masters. Senzui probably guessed that Kajima is prone to bragging so he kept the "Saiga" part for himself.

Ofcourse, the real Saiga wises up to the whole thing and somehow finds out that Kajima is unaware that Senzui is the fake Saiga and thus Saiga takes advantage of Kajima since Kajima has a "Duel" heart or pesonality or whatever he has. So just like how OSNF tried to prove their ideals is superior through their disciple, I reckon both Saiga and Senzui were challenging each others ideals through Kajima and hence why Kajima said at the end of the chapter "What is going on here!!!?"

I thought the same too. Kajima is naive to the guile of the world, and so would not doubt for a moment that both of his masters are one person. The reason that you give, that Kajima is prone to bragging, is also very true. Kajima is has a "cool dude" personality, both being strong due to his supreme confidence but also prone to being a blabbermouth because of it too.

About Senzui's hair and how he can keep it tucked inside the Saiga mask, well, he must have used the same shampoo and conditioners that Cars' used...

Random topic, I almost want to see a Jojo (part 2 and 3 only, before all the weird and absurd "instant win" stand powers of part 4 onward) and HSDK crossover.

The pillar men, for example, are basically "regular master class" in HSDK, but with many extra very dangerous powers that equalize their odds to the grandmaster class. Ultimate Cars probably can go toe to toe with a legendary, especially when he goes all out and use the Ripple too (imagine how powerful Jojo and Caesar, probably Yomi grade in physicality at most, become with the Ripple, now Ultimate Cars' ripple is 100 times powerful than Jojo's)

I thought the same too. Kajima is naive to the guile of the world, and so would not doubt for a moment that both of his masters are one person. The reason that you give, that Kajima is prone to bragging, is also very true. Kajima is has a "cool dude" personality, both being strong due to his supreme confidence but also prone to being a blabbermouth because of it too.

 

About Senzui's hair and how he can keep it tucked inside the Saiga mask, well, he must have used the same shampoo and conditioners that Cars' used...

 

Random topic, I almost want to see a Jojo (part 2 and 3 only, before all the weird and absurd "instant win" stand powers of part 4 onward) and HSDK crossover.

 

The pillar men, for example, are basically "regular master class" in HSDK, but with many extra very dangerous powers that equalize their odds to the grandmaster class. Ultimate Cars probably can go toe to toe with a legendary, especially when he goes all out and use the Ripple too (imagine how powerful Jojo and Caesar, probably Yomi grade in physicality at most, become with the Ripple, now Ultimate Cars' ripple is 100 times powerful than Jojo's)

I don't know about that Jojo's charm is that they are almost human apart from the stands, the super masters would be too fast for the characters maybe jojo's stand would be able to react to the high speeds maybe.

I don't know about that Jojo's charm is that they are almost human apart from the stands, the super masters would be too fast for the characters maybe jojo's stand would be able to react to the high speeds maybe.

Stands are all at least "grandmaster" class in speed, except those stands that has powers to affect the environment instead of combat. The World and Star Platinum are both faster than light at their best (time stopping) and grandmaster class at all time (the speed and punch barrages that both of these stands put out rivals anything we have seen the grandmasters do in HSDK).

In fact, I would say that it would take at least 4 grandmasters or 2 legendaries in HSDK to take on Dio of part 3, one to tank the hits while time is stopping (or if Dio try to hit everyone, then they would share the damage and thus will still be able to stand up), and then the one(s) who can still fight after the time resumes to actually hurt Dio enough within a few seconds to disable the world. Dio himself is a very old vampire and qualifies as a low grandmaster in his own right (his speed and strength feats look very similar to what Christopher Eclair did, actually), so it would take 2 grandmasters (RZ or OSNF grade) or 1 legendary to disable / kill him within the few seconds while The World recharges.

Against Ultimate Cars... well, I would say it takes a coordinated effort by the entire RZ, Elder included, to stand a chance. Yes, I know Ultimate Cars were beaten by a normal human without an arm but seriously, that was complete, unadulterated luck. Joseph himself stated that he didn't actually have any plan, but just said that he planned it to piss off Cars as a last gesture of defiance... and yet it worked by luck

Edit: a few quick stats for Ultimate Cars. Cars was a bullet-timer before he became Ultimate, he could cut a torrent of machine gun bullets in half with his arm blade. He does not have the same constant awareness of a grandmaster though, so he could be shot in surprise, while no one in RZ or OSNF could be hit even when the shot point blank by someone they don't expect (Sasaki dodged a surprise, point-blank bullet by Jenny, his fiance). UC can fly indefinitely and catch up to a plane flying at 240km/h. He can deflect aircraft cannon shots point-blank by shooting out armadillo scales, which also acts as bullets of his own, then turns into vampire pirannas that can bite through a plane's control panel, and a few scales clump together can turn to a giant octopus ripping the plane apart. He then proceeded to survive unscathed in lava, after being pushed down into the volcano by an exploding plane...

Oh and when ultimate Cars REALLY get serious, he can use the ripple about 100 times more powerful than Jojo's, doing things like launching a punch that heats the target up to a few thousand degrees and instantly melt flesh...

Stands are all at least "grandmaster" class in speed, except those stands that has powers to affect the environment instead of combat. The World and Star Platinum are both faster than light at their best (time stopping) and grandmaster class at all time (the speed and punch barrages that both of these stands put out rivals anything we have seen the grandmasters do in HSDK).

 

In fact, I would say that it would take at least 4 grandmasters or 2 legendaries in HSDK to take on Dio of part 3, one to tank the hits while time is stopping (or if Dio try to hit everyone, then they would share the damage and thus will still be able to stand up), and then the one(s) who can still fight after the time resumes to actually hurt Dio enough within a few seconds to disable the world. Dio himself is a very old vampire and qualifies as a low grandmaster in his own right (his speed and strength feats look very similar to what Christopher Eclair did, actually), so it would take 2 grandmasters (RZ or OSNF grade) or 1 legendary to disable / kill him within the few seconds while The World recharges.

 

Against Ultimate Cars... well, I would say it takes a coordinated effort by the entire RZ, Elder included, to stand a chance. Yes, I know Ultimate Cars were beaten by a normal human without an arm but seriously, that was complete, unadulterated luck. Joseph himself stated that he didn't actually have any plan, but just said that he planned it to piss off Cars as a last gesture of defiance... and yet it worked by luck

 

Edit: a few quick stats for Ultimate Cars. Cars was a bullet-timer before he became Ultimate, he could cut a torrent of machine gun bullets in half with his arm blade. He does not have the same constant awareness of a grandmaster though, so he could be shot in surprise, while no one in RZ or OSNF could be hit even when the shot point blank by someone they don't expect (Sasaki dodged a surprise, point-blank bullet by Jenny, his fiance). UC can fly indefinitely and catch up to a plane flying at 240km/h. He can deflect aircraft cannon shots point-blank by shooting out armadillo scales, which also acts as bullets of his own, then turns into vampire pirannas that can bite through a plane's control panel, and a few scales clump together can turn to a giant octopus ripping the plane apart. He then proceeded to survive unscathed in lava, after being pushed down into the volcano by an exploding plane...

 

Oh and when ultimate Cars REALLY get serious, he can use the ripple about 100 times more powerful than Jojo's, doing things like launching a punch that heats the target up to a few thousand degrees and instantly melt flesh...

I see your point cause Dio and Cars aren't human, Dio is a vampire and Cars is... what was Cars again? As for Stands I've only watched the anime(stardust crusaders) up to episode 11 and the only considerable speed feats have been Star Platinum's /Silver Chariot's and Dio only ever poses looking ominous  . 

Back on topic when Saiga said "you've gotten stronger Senzui." I wonder do the other super masters have a chance of getting that strong given sufficient time? Because among the super masters the only one who seemed capable of getting legendary is Ogata. 

I see your point cause Dio and Cars aren't human, Dio is a vampire and Cars is... what was Cars again? As for Stands I've only watched the anime(stardust crusaders) up to episode 11 and the only considerable speed feats have been Star Platinum's /Silver Chariot's and Dio only ever poses looking ominous  . 

 

Back on topic when Saiga said "you've gotten stronger Senzui." I wonder do the other super masters have a chance of getting that strong given sufficient time? Because among the super masters the only one who seemed capable of getting legendary is Ogata. 

Im working on it  

But yeah I agree with you man, I feel that Ogata and Akira Hongo have the ability to become legendary because:

1. Ogata is like Goku, he is always looking for new and innovating ways to reach the next level like learning a technique like Kaioken or Sei-Dou in Ogatas case or finding an effective way of training like the hyperbolic time chamber.

2. Akira Hongo is like Vegeta/Saiyan warrior, dude takes on anyone including his own comrads regardless of how much more powerful they are. This type of characestic allows him to gain power since going through an intense challenge like fighting Jenazad has probably gave him the ability to dodge and attack masters like Michael who are way below Jenazad in terms of reaction time and when you experience jenazads timing,reaction time,intensity etc... fighting a Brat like Michael is probably a piece of cake.

Both of them have the ability to become Legendary Masters!