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It does not have to destroy Japan. It's enough if it hits a bigger city and causes damage/death. Japan has border conflicts with China, South Korea and Russia and there has always been the threat from North Korea that they would send missiles. And the US Army has bases there. If Japan was hit they and the US might blame China/Russia/Korea and decide to attack them "in return" for the missile. I think it would not take long for other countries to join the conflict, especially if the situation in these countries is already unstable and one of the afore mentioned countries is somehow involved in these conflicts. (e. g. Ukraine/Russia/EU, Middle East/US) => WW III

But the thing is they're aware of yami and there plans. It would be sooo easy to foil them politically. Both if the missile hit or if their plan failed. Yami is going to take a hit after this. Clearly America and Europe aren't really influenced by Yami, so I can say with some certainty that America and Nato isn't on there side plus I don't think they want them to be. Russia , pfft forget about it, they defiantly don't have their support. I cant say much for china, but it seems the big super powers of the world aren't on there side. I vaguely remember that they'll be mercs for hire(in a world war) is that right. Any way, due to how the plot went out and the fact that Matsuena may or may not have come up with what the final Eternal sunset should be.

But the thing is they're aware of yami and there plans. It would be sooo easy to foil them politically. Both if the missile hit or if their plan failed. Yami is going to take a hit after this. Clearly America and Europe aren't really influenced by Yami, so I can say with some certainty that America and Nato isn't on there side plus I don't think they want them to be. Russia , pfft forget about it, they defiantly don't have their support. I cant say much for china, but it seems the big super powers of the world aren't on there side. I vaguely remember that they'll be mercs for hire(in a world war) is that right. Any way, due to how the plot went out and the fact that Matsuena may or may not have come up with what the final Eternal sunset should be.

Yami doesn't need to have big influence over these countries to start a war and I think it would work although many(?) know it's been Yami who sent the missile. All you need is a bunch of countries that don't like each other to begin with (in this case Japan and China would be prime candidates) and that would happily blame each other for the incident.

("These Yami guys are actually a terrorist group that works for the Chinese government!" - "Fuck you, That's been some elaborate plan to put the blame on China!" and so on)

Wars have been started and are still going on right now over some really stupid shit in the past where no one involved really knows or cares who's at fault. Any reason is good enough to fight the enemy. It's actually really scary if you read a bit about current and past conflicts and their "reasons".

Other countries would take sides with their allies or just jump in if they think it might be something in for them.

there ≠ their

15-17 megatons, spread out over 20-30 reentry vehicles (this looks to be twice to three times as big as the R-36 icbm from Russia, the biggest ICBM in the real world) would easily wipe out a number of cities in Japan, not one. And this is with the assumption that Yami only has access to tech available after the nuclear disarmament post cold war (a reasonable assumptions, since these things are huge, and even for an organization of superhumans it would take some serious luck to steal them without anyone knowing, and as big as Yami is, there is literally zero chance that they would have the actual technical capability to build thermonuclear warheads).

Also, I don't think anyone actually knew about the missiles other than Ryozanpaku and the Japanese government. Saig... Lame and Cowardly Disguising Lord never stated exactly that he would destroy Japan, only that he would take over control.

So post nuclear attack. The case that all other nations will start blaming each other and use this as a cause of war is a completely real possibility.

Also we must not discount the fact that although the West isn't as utterly in thrall to Yami as Japan is, we cannot discount that there are certainly agents of them. French and Britain has Eclair and Mycroft. Russia has Alexander. Mexico has Diego. Granted, these three don't go with the WWIII plan (because they are grandmasters in their own right and are hard to manipulate), but there's nothing to stop lesser masters who are more easily manipulated or bought over to act on Yami behalf.

An assassination here, a terrorist attack there, and people would very rapidly forget the exact WHY Japan was attacked, only that it was attacked and someone is to blamed.

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Speaking of the debris, it would be a crazy and glorious end of the arc if the next chapter will be dealing with how everyone deals with the falling debris. Ken would finally have his true maturity moment where has grown enough to truly protect Miu, deflecting big fragments flying at bullet speed, and tanking the smaller ones like Shou Kanou did, coming close to the point of dying until Shigure takes over and said to him with a smile "you did well my disciple... One day... protect me too."

The feels!!!!

 And this is with the assumption that Yami only has access to tech available after the nuclear disarmament post cold war (a reasonable assumptions, since these things are huge, and even for an organization of superhumans it would take some serious luck to steal them without anyone knowing, and as big as Yami is, there is literally zero chance that they would have the actual technical capability to build thermonuclear warheads).

Excuse me, what? Not all Yami members are masters, or even fighters. Don't you remember the large fucking team of scientists. Or the engineer. I'm sure theirs not more of them. Or any that specialize in that field. Are you really underestimating their recourses? If I sound a little angry, then my apologies but thats a big miscalculation. 

Who is funding yami!!!!???


Also, is it safe to say that Kushinada is infact the Unoffical leader of the OSNF and is closer in strength to Gansouke than Sen-suzi?

@Ogata Kushinada is definitely the unofficial leader of Yami but as for comparing her power to Senzui she just hasn't fought enough. Though even if hypothetically Senzui is was faster, stronger, more agile, more endurable, has more ki etc. than Kushinada she'd still win a fight between the two cause of her weird jujitsu.

@Ogata Kushinada is definitely the unofficial leader of Yami but as for comparing her power to Senzui she just hasn't fought enough. Though even if hypothetically Senzui is was faster, stronger, more agile, more endurable, has more ki etc. than Kushinada she'd still win a fight between the two cause of her weird jujitsu.

Unofficial in the sense that she has great influence and councils the two Ichies. She however didn't and cannot command the eternal sunset to happen if the the Ichie said no. She also wasn't commanding the ENTIRE military. It may be possible that Senzui was in the economic and possibly political world. Lets not undermine Senzui's planing and leadership ability. It may be that Saiga also had initialy helped, and would have gone through with it had he not found out about who really killed his wife.

Excuse me, what? Not all Yami members are masters, or even fighters. Don't you remember the large fucking team of scientists. Or the engineer. I'm sure theirs not more of them. Or any that specialize in that field. Are you really underestimating their recourses? If I sound a little angry, then my apologies but thats a big miscalculation. 

You do have a point, but I think you underestimate how difficult it is to build thermonuclear devices. I'm no expert on that subject either, never took physics past 2nd year, but I like to read about history a lot and I have the impression that it takes A LOT of everything to build nuclear weapons. I can understand that they manage to create a huge rocket complete with decent targeting system. That in itself is already an incredible feat that rivals the world's biggest nations.

But to build a nuclear warhead (or multiple), one would need raw materials, which are very tightly controlled by any nation that has it, and constantly being monitored by the US due to Cold War fears. The only reasonable place they can get it from is to smuggle it from Russia. Then they need a facility to purify it. Then they need a plethora of experts to oversee all of these stages. Finally the warhead itself is an extremely precise device, so they need bespoke manufacturing facilities to produce the components too.

With a rocket, it is reasonable that they can commission parts from various big companies, even military manufacturers like Lockheed, Northrop, etc., given enough money & influence. But for a nuclear device, they would have to literally build the whole process in house, on that island, because there isn't a commercial entity that would supply anything in that process.

All of that is not a plan that can be enacted in a few years, and really Suzi only had this idea a few years ago.

It would be far far easier for them to just steal these warheads from stockpiles, each grandmaster is far more than strong enough to lift one and run. But this would limit them to the weaker warheads left after the disarmament, which means the full yield of this huge ICBM would still be 15MT max, probably 1MT or less per warhead.

Was it ever outright stated that this thing has a nuclear warhead? Both translations only say missile with no mention of nuclear whatsoever. I think f it were one it would say so directly in the text.

I just saw on twitter that Vol. 58 of the manga will be out 9/18 and they uploaded the cover and bonus illustrations. Look at that picture!

It's so nicht to see Natsu on a cover again and this time we even get the whole group. But it kinda feels like a "goodbye" type of cover. I have to preorder it now.

@Ogata Kushinada is definitely the unofficial leader of Yami but as for comparing her power to Senzui she just hasn't fought enough. Though even if hypothetically Senzui is was faster, stronger, more agile, more endurable, has more ki etc. than Kushinada she'd still win a fight between the two cause of her weird jujitsu.

I guess that makes sense, but then again what was the point of disguising as Saiga if Hachiou masters already knew who he was from the beginning??? Doesn't seem like the rest of the OSNF cared if it was Saiga or Senzui either...

But yeah, I agree that Kushinada may not have the commanding power but she sure can manupilate the outcome in order to obtain the results she seeks.

Speaking of Saiga, is it just me or does he come off like a hearthrobe? I notice he likes to cover his face with the whole " I am too shy to show my sexy face" and he tries to dress fancy shmancy suits and what not!

No doubt he is number 2 best looking guy after Ogata!

P.S: While ago 5  weapon masters made their debut on the command of Rin Tachibana, 2 of them got beat by Sakaki/Akisame, two are fighting Ragnarok/yomi disciples and so...one weapon master is missing from this action!!!
 

@Ogata If you wanna talk about missing masters, where are Diego and Alexandre?

@Ogata If you wanna talk about missing masters, where are Diego and Alexandre?

Drinking orange juice and reading "kenichi" manga as well  

But I agree, we should have had a chapter with Diego/Alex coming to rescue the Ranarok/Yomi disciples againts the two weapon masters and ofcourse to give them a handicap, we could have had the england master show up as well so it would be Diego/Alex vs Indian,/Chinese/English master!

Then we could have had the latest chapter. This way we get a proper conclusion on the disciple fights/panel.

Oh and Erdbeerkeks, I hope Takedas hands don't go any lower...


EDIT: What happened to both Rimi the character and Rimi the hsdkfans.com moderator???

Hongo is missing as well, or is he dead? I'm not quite sure what happened to him after he lost to Senzui.

Yes, Saigi sure is a pretty boy. His mother must have been hot, because I can't imagine a handsome young Hayato no matter how hard I try.

@Ogata At least you can see where Takeda's hands are. Tanimoto on the other side...

Something else strange about the manga: Vol. 57 came out in August, vol. 58 will be out this month and vol. 59 next month. Usually there is a 2-3 month break between releases and it makes me afraid that Kenichi is really ending and they are catching up with the releases for that reason. What if we get the next 26-page chapter (how does Matsuena even eat and sleep?) next week, a time-skip future chapter the week after and then THE END? I mean they did not say anything about the manga ending, only this arc and usually the end of a manga is announced some chapters in advance. But what if? 

I hope my fears turn out to be unwarranted and they just do the fast releases, because everyone wants to read this arc again and because they have so many pages from the recent over-length chapters.

Hongo is missing as well, or is he dead? I'm not quite sure what happened to him after he lost to Senzui.

 

Yes, Saigi sure is a pretty boy. His mother must have been hot, because I can't imagine a handsome young Hayato no matter how hard I try.

 

@Ogata At least you can see where Takeda's hands are. Tanimoto on the other side...

 

Something else strange about the manga: Vol. 57 came out in August, vol. 58 will be out this month and vol. 59 next month. Usually there is a 2-3 month break between releases and it makes me afraid that Kenichi is really ending and they are catching up with the releases for that reason. What if we get the next 26-page chapter (how does Matsuena even eat and sleep?) next week, a time-skip future chapter the week after and then THE END? I mean they did not say anything about the manga ending, only this arc and usually the end of a manga is announced some chapters in advance. But what if? 

I hope my fears turn out to be unwarranted and they just do the fast releases, because everyone wants to read this arc again and because they have so many pages from the recent over-length chapters.

If I am not mistaken, what happened is both Senzui and Kajima ended up chasing Nijimma to the control room which is 20 floors up off where Hongo fought an indisguised Senzui . after Hongo fell to the ground they all ended up in the control room.

Also Michael expressed joy saying "how lucky I am too make it here while avoiding jintusuken" He either means I am lucky to survive the technique or I am lucky to have avoided meeting Hongo while I was coming up to the control room.

Lol takeda looks very very very very happy having his arms around Kenichi  

I agree on Matsuena, I believe dude needs to take some time off from hsdk so he can give his creative juices a rest and then come up with the next arc!

I am hoping more Chinese Martial arts/Tanimoto and this bad mofo needs to return to the scene as well!


 

Hongo is missing as well, or is he dead? I'm not quite sure what happened to him after he lost to Senzui.

 

Yes, Saigi sure is a pretty boy. His mother must have been hot, because I can't imagine a handsome young Hayato no matter how hard I try.

 

@Ogata At least you can see where Takeda's hands are. Tanimoto on the other side...

 

Something else strange about the manga: Vol. 57 came out in August, vol. 58 will be out this month and vol. 59 next month. Usually there is a 2-3 month break between releases and it makes me afraid that Kenichi is really ending and they are catching up with the releases for that reason. What if we get the next 26-page chapter (how does Matsuena even eat and sleep?) next week, a time-skip future chapter the week after and then THE END? I mean they did not say anything about the manga ending, only this arc and usually the end of a manga is announced some chapters in advance. But what if? 

I hope my fears turn out to be unwarranted and they just do the fast releases, because everyone wants to read this arc again and because they have so many pages from the recent over-length chapters.

There may be a break, but im sure it'll continue. Either in another arc or in another series altogether, much like hsmk(Histories strongest master :> ). 

Hongo is missing as well, or is he dead? I'm not quite sure what happened to him after he lost to Senzui.

Hongo isn't dead. He got hit in a pressure point, probably one of the main ones, which paralyzed him temporarily, for a few seconds. He was already getting up when James Shiba entered the scene.

Hongo probably knows exactly where Sai.. Suzi is too, but his personality is not the type that would interfere in another fight after he had lost. So what he must have done is just to stay idle. He has no reason to help Rz and no more reason to help Yami.

I have a question for you guys! How many of you guys remember Boss Wong or aka Elder Wong?

I ask because whenever I ask people what they thought of Boss Wong, they always say "who is he?"

I thought he made some impression despite appearing in the flashback but I have noticed that he has No kenichiwiki page even nor is he mentioned in Retsumin Keis wiki or the black tiger white dragon alliance wiki page (grrrr coulden't they come up with a shorter name Grrr  !"

Meanwhile the Fox that appeared in the Ganosuke/Hayato fight has his own wiki page, is considered a legendary master and his name is written among the "Allies of Ryozanpaku" wikipage

@Ogata Yeah I remember him crazy teeth guy that wanted to kill the kung fu trio in dofd... but you got to admit the fox thing is kinda funny.

@Ogata Yeah I remember him crazy teeth guy that wanted to kill the kung fu trio in dofd... but you got to admit the fox thing is kinda funny.

Yup thats him!  He looks like the love child of Santa Clause and Michael Schtilvay!

I rechecked and he made his debut in chapter 216!

Oh and I LOVE the Fox and we unofficaly named him Steve! Although if it was mother fox that attacked Ganosuke then the name is not steve!

 

Yup thats him!  He looks like the love child of Santa Clause and Michael Schtilvay!

I rechecked and he made his debut in chapter 216!

Oh and I LOVE the Fox and we unofficaly named him Steve! Although if it was mother fox that attacked Ganosuke then the name is not steve!

 

Then wouldn't Stephanie be okay, short form Steve. As for super-anmals it reminds of stellar transformations where the animals are more powerful than humans.

There are some unanswered questions like Ma's family, Elder Wong, Blind kung fu master, Akisame's backstory, Kushinada's backstory, Ganosuke's face, Sakaki's sister, OGATA, Berseker and they also hinted there being something more with Shigure's master so I hope it's not ending. He could be taking a break tho rememer during the Jenazad fight, there was like a 4 week break.

Maybe he's rushing this arc cause he realised how much he wrote himself into a corner with Yami, personally I really liked the chapters with birdman who fought Apachai, there were no huge stakes the fate of the world was not in balance, politicians were not in the mix it was just an assasin vs apachai to save some teens. I think he should tone down the story and bring it back to the days when Kenichi was fighting other people his level just because they wanted to test their strength. A training arc would be good too.

Something else strange about the manga: Vol. 57 came out in August, vol. 58 will be out this month and vol. 59 next month. Usually there is a 2-3 month break between releases and it makes me afraid that Kenichi is really ending and they are catching up with the releases for that reason. What if we get the next 26-page chapter (how does Matsuena even eat and sleep?) next week, a time-skip future chapter the week after and then THE END? I mean they did not say anything about the manga ending, only this arc and usually the end of a manga is announced some chapters in advance. But what if? 

I hope my fears turn out to be unwarranted and they just do the fast releases, because everyone wants to read this arc again and because they have so many pages from the recent over-length chapters.

I'm curious: wasn't the manga coming to an end already implied in chapter 559?

http://mangafox.me/m...57/c559/19.html

"The story is finally speeding up... Let's go all out until the end drawing the series the way it deserves."

Naaa, I'm not buying it. We've seen the Elder do some pretty miraculous things. How do you get to a level like that just to be taken out by a mere explosion? I'm not gonna jump the gun until a release actually says he's dead. Besides, Matsuena likes to do things like that (especially with the Elder) just to emphasize the characters power level. Something that would obviously kill any normal person and yet...  

Naaa, I'm not buying it. We've seen the Elder do some pretty miraculous things. How do you get to a level like that just to be taken out by a mere explosion? I'm not gonna jump the gun until a release actually says he's dead. Besides, Matsuena likes to do things like that (especially with the Elder) just to emphasize the characters power level. Something that would obviously kill any normal person and yet...  

Yea there's not that much to argue on here. Half the reason I think he's dead(other than the fact that it said he sacrificed himself) for story. Allowing him to be mortally injured or at least injured would allow for us to move on.

@Raigo (grrrrr quoting is not working)

I agree on the list you mentioned, I want to know more about Jise Ro who is the blind kungfu master as well as what happened to Chou enshin. I also want to know the time period that Ogata trained at ryo house and if he was a disciple. I mean, the guide book says he is 38 years old and according to akisame, when miu was too young of a brat to remember him when Ogata trained, so that could have been 12-14 years ago which meant that Ogata was 24 or 25 years old as a disciple which is pretty crazy!

No doubt we need more Chinese martial arts action and find out why Elder Wongs group erased Shaolin kungfu from the history of Chinese martial arts.