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HSDK Battle 578 Released
Aug 01 2014 02:48 AM | Ogata in Kenichi News
History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi Battle 578 has been released by MangaPanda. The battle between the masters escalates! Battle 578 is titled, "The Battleground of the Gods".
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citizen_lion
Aug 04 2014 05:09 AM
By the way, I want to add that I think Ogata and Kensei Ma are the true stars of this chapter. What Ogata did was not unrealistic at all! He just kaio-kened himself and confidently soloed two masters of the same rank, beating them both in an instance with decisive hits instead of playing around like Goku. Ogata is the boss of bosses, and the only worthy candidate for final boss of the series!
Or anti-hero! I so want to see Ogata sacrificing himself to fight a threat on the "extinction-level event" class, showing Kenichi that even a Satsujinken can be a hero in the right moment.
Kensei Ma is similarly badass in this chapter, in his usual fashion. I have to wonder that what exactly would make him fight seriously, and if he actually does, would he actually be a legendary as well? Seriously, that move when he bind Raki was terrifying. He broke her weapon (yes, the same sort of weapon that would endure master-class strength) in a fraction of a second, then used that weapon, and her own clothes, to bind her. One must remember that Raki is still a grandmaster, and her physical attributes must still be around the master to grandmaster range. Even the weakest of the Eight Blades (Michael) still fight equally if not slightly pushing a high-class master like Eclair and Mycroft... Exactly how strong and fast is Kensei to be able to do such things?
(Kensei actually bound Raki, then Mildred (again) in two consecutive panels)...
Combatmaster1o3
Aug 04 2014 07:55 AM
Dont forget Marmaduke. The moment he found out she was a woman....
biggbran77
Aug 04 2014 07:57 AM
Despite everything that happened in this chapter there's really only one person who can stop Kushinada right now. I'd say it's about time for Hayato to show up.
Combatmaster1o3
Aug 04 2014 10:10 AM
It could be possible that the elder could be close by. That might explain the whole telepathy thing, instead they literally felt his Ki because its not that far away(Relatively).
Delirium Trigger
Aug 06 2014 08:54 AM
Are we all ignoring Jenny's surprising strength to duel wield a .44 AutoMag and the Smith and Wesson Model S&W500 (Handcannon) so casually?
citizen_lion
Aug 06 2014 09:30 AM
That is no mean feat actually. In fact, being able to fire those guns in rapid succession, one handed, is clearly beyond peak human, so she fits the physical attributes of a low master. Not quite as strong as fortuna, due to her build, but probably stronger than any Yomi except Kajima with seals.
Ogata
Aug 07 2014 12:17 AM
Random question but...if you guys where to find a Scythe master IRL who had the same personalities and physical capability of Michael Schtilvay, would you become his disciple?
Whether you like it or not, he would teach you his scythe technique but most importantly, his training would make your body reach the hsdk level which puts you far and above any historic martial artists in real life such as Mas Oyama,Bruce Lee,Mike Tyson,Myomoto Musashi etc...
The idea is that, how bad do you want to reach the levels of an hsdk master in the real life setting and would you take the opportunity to learn from a master that happens to be a real piece of work....
Delirium Trigger
Aug 07 2014 01:17 AM
I would definitely (not the scythe master part, unless a certain thing happens in my life). I may become some sort of mercenary. And if being a hsdk master class fighter, I'd rarely need a vehicle.
Raigou
Aug 07 2014 01:27 AM
If I found any super master I'd try to be their disciple... even Jenazad
Ogata
Aug 07 2014 01:45 AM
Just to clarify, in this scenario, you will possess an hsdk body because of the scythe training and you will learn scythe techniques whether you like it or not but atleast later you can learn boxing,kickboxing,kungfu or karate technique but your time and dedication and the body you build is due to the scythe training and having Michael type character as your teacher.
You may also have to get your hands and concisous dirty but you can later redeem your past sins when you become a master.
I was agreeing with you until you said Jenazad! I like the guy but damn, in the flashback, he either brainwashes his disciples or has them try to kill each other and the winner gets killed by Jenazad. Itsl ike, he has had so many many many many disciples in his backstories and yet not a single disciple graduated to the master class with their sanity intact.
I chose Michael because even though he is almost as crazy as jenazad atleast his disciple Siegmarigen seems like the chip of the old block and seems like he enjoys his scythe training.
Delirium Trigger
Aug 07 2014 02:12 AM
That's what I meant, the "certain thing" being that if I killed someone before then, but I might be able pull a Sakaki maneuver.
Tsutomu Tanaka
Aug 07 2014 02:22 AM
Raigou
Aug 07 2014 02:33 AM
Nah Jenazad's just misunderstood if you give up your morals and allow yourself to be corrupted you can become superhuman, and for the training method Miu would have survived till master class and the prince guy might have also survived if he didn't fight Kenichi.
Your only saying that cause he killed you
Ogata
Aug 07 2014 03:40 AM
I see, that makes sense! No doubt that Sakakis master was a satsujinken and that we have yet to see Sakakis "Kill technique" that the author teased us with during the Jenazad arc. But yeah I know where your coming from,although you could always pull a Sai Kagerou maneuver as well.
Well this sentence made zero sense!
A guy I consider misunderstood is Sai Kagerou, before he fought Shigure, he said that he killed because that was the only way he could level up. Meanwhile Jenazad went mad after the war concluded while his satisfy for bloodlust did not.
The thing I don't get about Jenazad is, if he wanted to fight the best fighters that badly, why didn't he just track down Ganosuke,Hayato or the other "Few" masters that are on the same level as Ganosuke/Hayato as Sakaki put it. Also there are masters like Senzui,Saiga,Kushinada out there as well and guys like Ogata are also trying to reach that level too!
This is annoyed me about Jenazad because he took out his bloodlust on his disciples/followers as oppose to using his resource to track down the best of the best in the hsdk universe.
Delirium Trigger
Aug 07 2014 07:08 AM
Something was in his fruit? If someone like Radin still held great respect for him, maybe there aren't as many screws loose as it seems? I doubt he's think planning type anyways.
What do you think the next chapter will be about? Syun continuing on the Master's fight, Hayato making a grand entrance, the disciples' battle, Kenichi and Kajima, or Saiga and Senzui?
citizen_lion
Aug 07 2014 10:06 AM
The thing I don't get about Jenazad is, if he wanted to fight the best fighters that badly, why didn't he just track down Ganosuke,Hayato or the other "Few" masters that are on the same level as Ganosuke/Hayato as Sakaki put it. Also there are masters like Senzui,Saiga,Kushinada out there as well and guys like Ogata are also trying to reach that level too!
This is annoyed me about Jenazad because he took out his bloodlust on his disciples/followers as oppose to using his resource to track down the best of the best in the hsdk universe.
This is actually not that surprising. Jenazad DID challenge Mikumo. He kicked the pool that she was meditating in apart and then dashed acrossed the water to face her while she runs up the water too. Any other master would have took the bait and fight him right then and there. Mikumo did not, because she had a plan.
Besides, Jenazad did fight Hayato to a draw before, and really the only reason why two good friends would fight each other in such a bitter fashion that hatred results is when Hayato knew that Jenazad the hero was gone and the only thing left was Jenazad the psycho. And THAT fight ended in a draw.
It is entirely possible that Jenazad believes that he is unbeatable in normal circumstances, and is only beatable if he riles someone up until that person fight him with his life on the line, like Hongo did. In fact, he probably expected Hayato to come, since he knew full well that he kidnapped Hayato's granddaughter and brainwashed her, basically giving Hayato all the necessary reason to bet his life on a fight...
About why he didn't challenge Saiga / Senzui, he probably didn't know Senzui, and only knew Saiga, and even Hongo was surprised that Saiga was that strong (he commented during their fight to the tune that Saiga isn't just a figurehead, but actually kept up to the standards of the Nine Fists), so Jenazad probably thought Saiga is just a very rich and well-connected dude with an organization, as well. This probably applies similarly to Gannosuke. Even the Elder fought Gannosuke for the first time, so the world was probably large enough that they never knew each other or crossed paths.
And finally, we never even saw Jenazad use weapons before... and he was a master in all the Silat weapon arts too. It was entirely possible the he held back even in the fight with Hayato, because with the weapon advantage he might have won, or at least draw but wounding Hayato too instead of just giving him some bruises.
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About the question, I probably will not take my chance with Michael (and of course not with Jenazad if I knew his reputation, he certainly looks semi normal, even benevolent, without the mask...). But seeing either of them in actions will galvanize my belief that it is possible to beat the limits of human physiology, and that will just set me on a path of research until I figure out those secrets... basically I will become Akisame (in 20 years) after seeing a grand/legendary master in action.
Ogata
Aug 07 2014 12:22 PM
But thats the thing though about Ganosuke, when Sakaki was talking to Kenichi about the Hachiou masters, he said that their leader is someone who is on par with the Elder himself and that anyone that has been involved deeply in the martial arts world has heard of him before.
Now granted, it makes sense for Jenazad to not know who Senzui is since Senzui operates in a very cowardly way and is very covert in his approach, but I reckon that Jenazad would have known Ganosuke based on the fact that Ganosuke built his reputation much like Hayato has, enough to be compared to one another for many years as Ganosuke put it when he was fighting the Elder.
In regards to IRL Michael, woulden't you get frustrated at the fact that,you know its possible to exceed the human limits but not knowing how to get there without proper guidence might deter you or worry that by the time you do figure it out, that you maybe in an older stage of your life?
Raigou
Aug 07 2014 02:18 PM
About the earlier comment I just meant I'd take a calculated risk with Jenazad
Ogata
Aug 07 2014 07:25 PM
Oh I see where your coming from with Jenazad, I also agree with you in regards to age and this is somewhat true IRL. I mean look at Randy Couture, he started mma/ufc when he was 33 years old or Bernard Hopkins started boxing at 24 years old as was the case for Rocky Marciano.
My boxing coach says that, its not about age but wear and tear and how injury free you are that counts too! That being said, in the hsdk universe, it seems like injury is not something the masters have to worry about seeing how Eclair returned to action despite taking a beating from Sakaki, or how Michael seemingly has fought Apachai and now seems injure free as is the case for Shigure who got beat by Hachiou masters but seems fine. Exception here is James Shiba and Kajima.
citizen_lion
Aug 07 2014 11:46 PM
Actually, unless you have broken bones and tendons that are not quickly set in a proper manner, or nerve damage (even this can recover, so really only the bones and tendon stuff that are hard to heal), then almost any wear and tear can self-heal. The healthier you are, the faster this self healing will be. Another factor is immune system, if your immune system and personal hygiene is very good, and you keep yourself infection free, your self-healing is even faster. So the healing feats that the masters in HSDK display are all plausible. Even Apachai's hole-healing is somewhat plausible, if you count the fact that the punch from Agaard might have just pushed Apachai's organs aside instead of rupturing them (well, a lot of rupturing still did occured, but not utter, complete destruction).
Jenazad couldn't have recovered from Hongo's torsion nukite was probably because Hongo hit him exactly center, so he must have damaged all the organs, or the spine, or both.
Delirium Trigger
Aug 08 2014 03:28 AM
W
Which is strange because Jenazad claimed to be able to kill Hongo even after he received such a wound, and hole was located in the center of his torso! In a different shot, it seems like it's a little off to the side, though.
citizen_lion
Aug 08 2014 04:22 AM
He could not have moved, because the hit probably had damaged his spine enough that if he moves he would collapse instantly, but if Hongo came close, his arm could simply lash out fast enough to take Hongo's head off before he can react.
Jenazad can strike fast enough that both Sasaki and Hongo weren't able to see the movement at all, and that was only when he's semi-serious. (The "Karate does not own the patent on thrusts" scene).
Tsutomu Tanaka
Aug 08 2014 04:23 AM
No. I'm alive. Ogata killed my double, who put on a mask like Senzui.
Delirium Trigger
Aug 08 2014 05:10 AM
That makes sense, but what about the part where he thought he had another opportunity to kill him when Miu came into scene?
Combatmaster1o3
Aug 08 2014 08:21 AM
Thats true, he also changed stance. Maybe Hongo aimed for his organs and not his spine, maybe do to bone density? It could be that Hongo had damaged his spine but his thrust rolled off. So while a normal persons movement would be extremely limited, Jenazad's legs were powerfull enough to take him to the severely damaged Hongo who may or may not have died.